tagmusenmagnus1 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I really dont get it - how many of you prefer to have trails off as standard. I do realize that there are specific scenarios where it is desired, but I just dont get it. Do any of you prefer it that way (for all Delays and Reverbs) - and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexKenivel Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I'm sure it's that way to act like switching on or off a real pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I always turn trails on, but the option to turn it off is better than no option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagmusenmagnus1 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 But any newer pedal has "spilover" or "trails" or anything other that means the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malhavok Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Some of my presets have an 'always on' delay and/or verb so those get trails turned off. Ostensibly, it frees a minor amount of DSP. I'd either be turning it on 50% of the time, or turn it off 50% of the time. Either default will not serve all the people all the time. Maybe they flipped a coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagmusenmagnus1 Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Are you sure that it will free up DSP power ? I cant see why it would do that, as the DSP limit has nothing to do with the block being on or off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Really, you should be able to save named presets for each block type, and choose one of them as the default. That said, I agree that it's unusual to want trails off, on would be the more common setting, and a better default for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsd512 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I'll add my voice for trails on as the default. Definitely seems more intuitive to me considering delay and reverb are intended to emulate spaces, and real spaces don't squelch sound abruptly. I always turn trails on, unless I forget - sometimes those are on page two (or three) of an effect and I forget to set them to on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 This is kind of a minor thing to pick at, isn't it? I mean, the option is there... I think having tails off as the default is the most intuitive since that is how most real pedals work (at least in their default state). You turn off the pedal, and the effect stops. Really, there has to be default settings for everything, and it's possible that half of the people think it should be one thing, the other something else. As Spikey said, just be glad you have the option to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 .... and anyone could submit an Ideascale request where this feature could be considered and prioritized among all official feature requests ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexKenivel Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 This is kind of a minor thing to pick at, isn't it? Well that's what you get for doing such a great job at everything else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsd512 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Well that's what you get for doing such a great job at everything else Yep. If Helix were a house, this one is like a little bit of touch-up paint on the inside of a closet. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I'm about 50/50 on trails on all of my presets. It just depends on what you are doing. If I am changing the delay time between snapshots, I have trails turned off so it doesn't sound "glitchy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOpinion Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I would prefer to see people talking about how to resolve the issue with trails glitching if certain parameters are switched between snapshots, or how to make them work between presets rather than worrying about what their default is. The default is a trivial matter when compared with more significant issues regarding trails and their operation when switching between snapshots or presets. Overall I find them eminently usable but it seems there are bigger wins to be had regarding trails than adjusting their default state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Well let's see...there were two choices for the default, on or off. No matter which one they picked, someone was destined to b1tch that they should have chosen the other one. Damned if you do, damned if ya don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Really, you should be able to save named presets for each block type, and choose one of them as the default. Quoting myself, that's not an unimportant nitpick request, it's a huge convenience, and it completely solves this issue, regardless of what setting you want personally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOpinion Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Really, you should be able to save named presets for each block type, and choose one of them as the default. That said, I agree that it's unusual to want trails off, on would be the more common setting, and a better default for me. Have to agree, this is the bigger idea here and one that has been bouncing around and requested for a while. It would not only address the OP's request to change the trails On/Off default setting but add some very powerful functionality. The ability to save and name the version of the effect/amp/etc. block you want with all your custom parameters and be able to select that block while building the preset would be easier and more flexible than the current method of having to find a preset with your custom settings and copying and pasting specific blocks. If you do implement 'custom' blocks another feature that can be very powerful is to have a 'Global/Per Block' setting within a custom block (not in the global settings) that allows all parameter changes in the block to be reflected in any preset that contains a custom block that has the 'Global' parameter enabled. Note: Just wanted to mention that you can create a template right now with most of your favorite block settings and copy that as your foundation when building a new preset but the custom block approach above would be much more powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yep. If Helix were a house, this one is like a little bit of touch-up paint on the inside of a closet. :) Kind of more like a couple arguing about which side of the room a chair looks better in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 imho, should be ON by default.makes sense to me that MOST players want trails on on verbs and delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I do realize that there are specific scenarios where it is desired, but I just dont get it. Do any of you prefer it that way (for all Delays and Reverbs) - and why? I don't get it either. And after thinking a little bit about it, I can only come up with one scenario where no trails would be useful, and that would be during a moment when silence is wanted. So delay, maybe. But with reverb, a sudden cutout would sound unnatural. What other scenarios would no trails be good for? So I prefer trails on. Sometimes I'll use a delay or reverb in a parallel path and when I want the effect shut off I'll cut the input signal for that path instead of toggling the effect. This has the effect of producing trails even if the trails parameter is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 imho, should be ON by default. makes sense to me that MOST players want trails on on verbs and delays. Common sense says you are correct. Not B1tchin, just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagmusenmagnus1 Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 .... and anyone could submit an Ideascale request where this feature could be considered and prioritized among all official feature requests ...... It is done, but as some say in this thread it is a quite minor thing, so it doesn't get much attention. The thing is that it doesn't take more than just change one value in the code, so line wont have to use several hours to fix this... Just do it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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