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I couldn't find any threads that address this question.

 

I want to setup my 500X so that each bank has 8 presets such that I can use the bank up/down buttons to select banks, and have footswitches 1-8 setup to select 8 individual presets within each bank. This way I can switch among 8 different presets without ever having to change banks. Is that possible? 

 

I guess another way to ask is once I've selected a bank, can I assign an entire preset to each of the 8 footswitches as opposed to assigning a single effect to a footswitch which is what I can do with FS1-4 in ABCD footswitch mode?

 

I tried using footswitch mode FS1-FS8, but for the life of me I can't figure out how the footswitches work in that mode as 5-8 seem to do nothing and 1-4 seem only to toggle effects on and off. The manual doesn't help to clarify this scenario i.e. I don't understand what "pedalboard mode" and "preset mode" mean.  Maybe 5-8 do nothing because in FS1-8 mode I haven't assigned anything to them yet?

 

I came from a Behringer FCB1010 which has 10 presets per bank and that worked great for me. I don't want to have to lug 2 pedal boards around though.  Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Yes, you should be able to do this in FS1-8 mode. Let me ask you something, what would you expect FS5-8 to do if you haven't assigned anything to them yet? I'm not trying to be a smart-alec but I need a little more info to steer you in the right direction. A footswitch won't do anything unless they're assigned to something.

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You are using the word bank and preset, which leads me to think you are not using them to mean the same thing. 

Could you tell us more about what you think a bank and a preset are? --- because, as you see above, you have two people giving two opposite answers. 

 

I, myself, almost said yes it could be done to the work bank until I kept reading and saw you use the word preset, Now I am just confused. 

 

 

 

I am leaning more towards - no, it can't be done. But I would like some clarity on the question before I give a definite answer. 

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Yes, you should be able to do this in FS1-8 mode. Let me ask you something, what would you expect FS5-8 to do if you haven't assigned anything to them yet? I'm not trying to be a smart-alec but I need a little more info to steer you in the right direction. A footswitch won't do anything unless they're assigned to something.

What I want to do is assign a full set of amps + preamps + effects (aka preset) to FS5-8 just like I can with FS1-4 in ABCD mode.

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impossible..

 

each POD HD bank is made of a fixed number of 4 presets (A-B-C-D), it can't be changed to allocate 8 presets..

 

the only purpose of the FS 5-8 mode is to allow to use all the 8 FS for FX switching, one for each FX slot, useful for complex patches made with many FX which need to be switched on/off depending on the needs..

 

using instead an external midi pedal board properly programmed and connected to the POD midi port, you should be able to call any preset stored in any bank as you wish

I think you misunderstand my objective.  I'm not trying to rearchitect how many presets one bank can store.  I don't care if the presets are named ABCD, WXYZ or John,Paul,George and Ringo.  I just want to be able to use all 8 footswitches to call up 8 different presets while remaining in the same bank.  I guess you're saying it's not possible.

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I think you misunderstand my objective.  I'm not trying to rearchitect how many presets one bank can store.  I don't care if the presets are named ABCD, WXYZ or John,Paul,George and Ringo.  I just want to be able to use all 8 footswitches to call up 8 different presets while remaining in the same bank.  I guess you're saying it's not possible.

 

Not possible on the HD500X... The Helix can do this, fwiw.

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You are using the word bank and preset, which leads me to think you are not using them to mean the same thing. 

Could you tell us more about what you think a bank and a preset are? --- because, as you see above, you have two people giving two opposite answers. 

 

I, myself, almost said yes it could be done to the work bank until I kept reading and saw you use the word preset, Now I am just confused. 

 

 

 

I am leaning more towards - no, it can't be done. But I would like some clarity on the question before I give a definite answer. 

I don't mean to imply that bank and preset mean the same thing.  Using the terminology in a way I hope makes sense... In ABCD mode, one bank contains 4 presets, each preset assigned to one of FS5-8, and the remaining FS1-4 are used to toggle on/off specific effects in the selected preset.  A preset is a collection of amps + preamps + effects, strung together visually in the VIEW mode and assigned to a footswitch FS5-8.  Does that make sense?

 

After thinking more about it, I'm hoping I can use FS1-8 mode and assign 8 different presets to each of FS1-8 and then while in say bank 1, I can call up any of those 8 presets by pressing any of FS1-8.  Possible?  Or is the 500X hard-architected not to allow anything except assigning effects toggling to FS1-4 ?

 

I see that phil_m just posted that the 500X cannot do this.  Bummer.  So what good is FS1-8 mode then?  I don't understand what I can do in that mode.

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I just don't understand this that I found in the "Edit Pilot's Guide": 

 

"Note: POD HD500X footswitches FS5 through FS8 can be configured to either “Pedalboard Mode†(where
they can be assigned to toggle Models On/Off) or “Presets Mode†(where they recall the current Bank’s A, B,
C or D Presets)."

 

So FS1-8 mode, or Pedalboard Mode, means that all 8 footswitches are used to toggle on/off effects, amps or preamps, right?  If that's true, then how does one select a preset once a bank is selected?

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I see that phil_m just posted that the 500X cannot do this.  Bummer.  So what good is FS1-8 mode then?  I don't understand what I can do in that mode.

 

Well, first off, it's FS5 - FS8 that you're changing the function of, there is no "FS1 - FS8" mode. The options for those four footswitches are either "A,B,C,D", which means they will always give you immediate access to the four presets in the bank you're currently in, or "FS5 - FS8". In this mode, you can use all eight footswitches to turn blocks on and off in the preset (also called Pedalboard Mode in the manual).

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Well, first off, it's FS5 - FS8 that you're changing the function of, there is no "FS1 - FS8" mode. The options for those four footswitches are either "A,B,C,D", which means they will always give you immediate access to the four presets in the bank you're currently in, or "FS5 - FS8". In this mode, you can use all eight footswitches to turn blocks on and off in the preset (also called Pedalboard Mode in the manual).

OK, thanks, Phil.  So how does one select a preset in FS5-FS8 mode once the Bank buttons are used to select a bank?  Or does Pedalboard Mode change how the Bank buttons work such that they select presets, not banks?

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So FS1-8 mode, or Pedalboard Mode, means that all 8 footswitches are used to toggle on/off effects, amps or preamps, right?  If that's true, then how does one select a preset once a bank is selected?

 

If you hit the bank up or down switches, you can scroll through the banks, and the function of FS5-FS8 will temporarily change back to preset select switches, so you can select a new preset. If you want to select a preset from the bank you're currently in, you'd only have to hit the bank up or down switch once. The functionality makes more sense once you've tried it. It's not as confusing as it sounds.

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It really depends on what is more important to you - having immediate access to four presets, or having more stomp switches to use in the preset. If you don't change preset very often, having 8 stomp switches available may be something you like.

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Thanks for your help, Phil.  I do a LOT of preset switching when I perform so this pedalboard is turning out not to be what I wanted. Should have done more research. 

 

I've been able to get most of my preset needs functional in a single bank with 4 presets + 1 block toggle (for soloing i.e. FS4 is my solo toggle switch).

 

The #1 problem right now is that in any given moment I need to be able to switch between 2 presets and immediately toggle on/off one block in the swtiched-to preset. Too much foot work especially when I'm singing at the same time.  So I think my workaround is to setup multiple banks with the exact presets I need which will mean a lot of preset duplication.  But hey, that's what 64 presets are for !

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If it helps you at all... 

You can assign more than one effect to a foot switch. That way, if you are, as example, turning off distortion and turning on chorus at the same time - you can do that with one button.

Thanks, but no, that doesn't help. I have in 1 bank, 4 rhythm presets and by pressing F4 (which turns on extra volume and effects), each rhythm preset turns into a solo preset. The issue is that sometimes I need to switch instantaneously, for example, between rhythm preset 1D and solo preset 1C (which requires that after I press 1C, I also press FS4 to get into solo mode on the 1C preset). But I think I'm OK.

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