PeterHamm Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Minutes away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Helix native -> Amplify 30 ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethreads Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Haha. Doubt that Helix will be available as a plugin, but certainly cool stuff heading our way ;) http://line6.com/helix-native/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ahhhh they've fixed the link. Anyway it's a nice addition to the Helix family. I much prefer the hardware version as an all-in-one solution with all it's built-in connectivity capabilities.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 http://line6.com/helix-native/We need "spikey" to check if there is an onboard tuner included, or it's a non starter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klangmaler Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 ...curious if Helix Hardware owners will get a special discount :rolleyes: ...for using it as an offline editor e.g. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Haha. Doubt that Helix will be available as a plugin, but certainly cool stuff heading our way ;) "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." – Western Union internal memo, 1876 :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." – Western Union internal memo, 1876 :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangha Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Holy crap! I didn't see that one coming! Did they mention an estimate release date or suggested price? The ability to automate Helix sound so exciting yet somehow makes my floor unit feel less special. Stream of consciousness here but I find it all bittersweet lol. So hard to please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 ...curious if Helix Hardware owners will get a special discount :rolleyes: ...for using it as an offline editor e.g. ... I've read it'll be $99 for Helix hardware owners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I've read it'll be $99 for Helix hardware owners. Yep... $399 on its own, $99 for Helix owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Any news regarding the Dan Boul IR's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangha Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yep... $399 on its own, $99 for Helix owners. That's a real solid, considerate move from Line6. I worry about how much I'd end up using my pedalboard if I buy it though? Yes I still have some stomps I love mostly SlideRig Compact Deluxe, Cornish P2 fuzz, King of Tone and EHX SuperPulsar, but the reamplifying capabilities speed up my workflow exponentially with a Helx plugin AND automated Helix is the stuff dreams dream of! I've never felt this torn over a software release, lol. I'll probably be losing sleep tonight pondering the possibilities. I'm curious though, any of you guys who use Helix mostly for recording, will you be thinking of selling your unit and picking up the Native version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangha Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Any news regarding the Dan Boul IR's ? Yup a pack is available to download. http://line6.com/allure/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 That's a real solid, considerate move from Line6. I worry about how much I'd end up using my pedalboard if I buy it though? Yes I still have some stomps I love mostly SlideRig Compact Deluxe, Cornish P2 fuzz, King of Tone and EHX SuperPulsar, but the reamplifying capabilities speed up my workflow exponentially with a Helx plugin AND automated Helix is the stuff dreams dream of! I've never felt this torn over a software release, lol. I'll probably be losing sleep tonight pondering the possibilities. I'm curious though, any of you guys who use Helix mostly for recording, will you be thinking of selling your unit and picking up the Native version? Nope. I love the unit for it's connectivity, ZERO latency monitoring (out of the box) and all the foot switches which i use when practising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markman87 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 http://line6.com/helix-native/ I'll eat my hat. That really took me by surprise! What!!!! And here I thought the big thing would be the IRs or reworked cabs. Are you kidding me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markman87 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us." – Western Union internal memo, 1876 :) :D I'm apparently a sceptic. Really surprised. I'm mostly a home player these days, but I can't let go of Helix floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabak Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'll eat my hat. That really took me by surprise! What!!!! And here I thought the big thing would be the IRs or reworked cabs. Are you kidding me! It sure did. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markman87 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 It sure did. ;) I do enjoy a good surprise, though :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uv777bk Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 There's a difference between the amount of cabs & effects the Helix Native page mentions... "30+ speaker cabinets and a wide range of 100+ effects pedals." and on the Helix detail page... 30 Cabs / 95 Effects. So either the detail page hasn't been updated or there may be more cabs and FX pedals coming for the Helix...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhead Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 There's a difference between the amount of cabs & effects the Helix Native page mentions... "30+ speaker cabinets and a wide range of 100+ effects pedals." and on the Helix detail page... 30 Cabs / 95 Effects. So either the detail page hasn't been updated or there may be more cabs and FX pedals coming for the Helix...? The just announced, pending, Helix fw2.2 adds some cabs and FX. These are included in Helix Native. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 http://line6.com/allure/ The IRs • Allure_59_Tweed_P10N.wav • Allure_64_A30_G12.wav • Allure_64_USDeluxe_P12N.wav • Allure_67_Brit_Greenback.wav • Allure_70s_WhoWatt_100.wav • Allure_90s_Cali_V30.wav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdanan0121 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yep... $399 on its own, $99 for Helix owners. FANTASTIC! At first I thought wow I won't have as much use for my Helix Rack, as I do not tour. Then I got to thinking of the possibilities. AS it is with the hardware alone, I can ReAmp 2 guitars (1Left, 1 Right) with medium signal chains, and half the processing power for each chain. With the Hardware and the plugin, I can route the left guitar to the hardware, using all of its processing power with all of its signal chains. Send the right guitar to the plugin, and use all of its signal chains. Simultaneously!!! I can automate much easier, more efficient, and with less errors (pops and crackles) with the VST. I can do this with the hardware, but I need to chop my takes that I ReAmp up so they are shorter, and often have to try a few times to get it without any audio artifacts (pops and crackle). This should pose no issue with the VST end of things. So for heavy automation I will use the plugin. But for straight tone recording of a single guitar or something like that... I will use the Helix rack, as it will free up the cpu power I can spread to other plugins. The hardware will always be my wet monitor, and dry recording device. the Hardware Helix will always be lower latency than the Helix Native. Also this allows me even more so to use my 11R as a back up and still get the great Helix tones if something were to happen to my Helix unit and I needed to have it sent in. Transferring presets back and forth will be great. Here is another "not often talked about aspect." We like the presets that some good guitarists around here dial in. But what about experienced producers? Now that Helix Native is a reality, the number of producers making guitar presets on the Helix platform will drastically improved. You will see a lot more presets with the guitar tone in the context of full mixes! $399 would be robbery for the established Helix user base. $99 for Helix users is a great deal though. I for one will be picking it up shortly after its release, unless its like in the next couple weeks, lol I would like the opportunity to be able to spend the $99 and not even worry bout it. Still reeling from the holidays lol. For $99 this is a great expansion of the Helix platform for studio users. None of the competition really offers this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_Igloo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 There's a difference between the amount of cabs & effects the Helix Native page mentions... "30+ speaker cabinets and a wide range of 100+ effects pedals." and on the Helix detail page... 30 Cabs / 95 Effects. So either the detail page hasn't been updated or there may be more cabs and FX pedals coming for the Helix...? Helix Native will ship after 2.20 firmware, which means it'll start with more models than we have now. We won't update the Helix page until the 2.20 firmware is actually released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoe5 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Was there anything announced Variax HD firmware updates with the release of the Stevic Variax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Damn, now I'm confused! My IMac 5k has 32 gigabytes of RAM installed. Does this mean I can create a behemoth rig on the computer that's more than Helix can handle in hardware form. There must be a maximum limitation. & does it have built in tuner for "spikey" (mine is a software Peterson in the iPad and iPhone). $99 - bring it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Damn, now I'm confused! My IMac 5k has 32 gigabytes of RAM installed. Does this mean I can create a behemoth rig on the computer that's more than Helix can handle in hardware form. There must be a maximum limitation. & does it have built in tuner for "spikey" (mine is a software Peterson in the iPad and iPhone). $99 - bring it on. I bet they limited the plugin to exactly what Helix can do in terms of DSP, otherwise you wouldn't be able to swap presets between the Helix Native and Helix.. But could you have more than one instance of the plugin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Anyone know the backstory regarding the Allure IR's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 But could you have more than one instance of the plugin? Oh, that's just crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inerzia Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 could you have more than one instance of the plugin? Why wouldn't you? That's the thing with plugins, you can load as many instances as your computer will allow. Limiting it to just one instance would be absurd. I've never seen that, but I guess it can be done, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 We need "spikey" to check if there is an onboard tuner included, or it's a non starter! ;) B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital_Igloo Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I bet they limited the plugin to exactly what Helix can do in terms of DSP, otherwise you wouldn't be able to swap presets between the Helix Native and Helix.. But could you have more than one instance of the plugin? Like any other plug-in, you can have as many instances as your host computer will allow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangha Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Like any other plug-in, you can have as many instances as your host computer will allow. Hey DI any chance you can mention the minimum system requirements to run native? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Anyone know the backstory regarding the Allure IR's? Don't know about the backstory, but they sound fantastic. Played around with them for a couple of hours last night and rebuilt some presets using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Here's the background of the Allure IRs guy. I'm impressed. http://rockguitardaily.blogspot.com/2013/06/65amps-and-dan-boul-reinventing-guitar.html?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveDaveDave Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 DaveDaveDave, Surprise! Here's another three interesting words taken out of context from DI's post: "There won't be" That says it all. Well, the Helix Plugin is quite a surprise, w/rt "available for download", out of context - isn't it? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datacommando Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Well, the Helix Plugin is quite a surprise, w/rt "available for download", out of context - isn't it? ;-) Well, it's out of the Helix box now!Re: available for download - quote from Digloo, Helix FW 2.20 Preview (The "Get Low" Update) AVAILABLE IN FEBRUARY—DON'T GO LOOKING FOR IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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