spikey Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1. I like the 11 rack better. 2. 11 rack is a bit fuller sounding but being very picky... 3. 11 rack much fuller and deeper. So numbers wise both verbs/units were set the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazer1k143 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Much though I love Helix, I too hope for a reverb update. The reverbs do seem to be the weak link and don't seem appreciably better than those found on budget multi-effects. In fact the reverbs on my TC Electronics Nova System sound much nicer to me. Helix deserves this update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlest Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 As a potential buyer of Helix i actually have held off buying a Helix since 2015 purely because i know the Reverbs are lacklustre at best, i would have hoped for almost 2 years a few firmware updates addressing this issueIf the Helix is to continue to really stand out in a crowd all it has to do is go head to head with Strymon FX since its amp modelling is obviously amazing but, i want more...Still i think there is definite room for improvement...Personally i rely heavily of reverbs and whislt the delays are quite decent i think there is still some overdue firmware updates. Granted if you are just a blues or rock player it probably has you covered, but for those ambient FX lovers we also need something thats going to make me not buy 3 strymon pedals instead. I think the helix is almost there but not quite especially if TC electronics has better sounding verbs... please update your verbs Line 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlest Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Well you didn't mention delays... Here's a list of just the added "delays" from a "beta" update I just downloaded for my Kemper... Tonic & Octave - 2016-11-09 16-16-39.kipr Talking Mice - 2016-11-09 15-41-45.kipr Suspended - 2016-11-09 17-26-31.kipr Sunrise - 2016-11-09 15-42-49.kipr Softener - 2016-11-08 14-31-35.kipr Sinking - 2016-11-09 16-25-43.kipr Shivers - 2016-11-09 17-24-10.kipr SETI - 2016-11-09 17-27-38.kipr Riding Along - 2016-11-09 17-25-32.kipr Resolution - 2016-11-09 16-10-49.kipr Power Tone - 2016-11-09 16-26-39.kipr Poly Octaves 6 - 2016-11-09 17-21-48.kipr Poly Octaves 5 - 2016-11-09 17-21-30.kipr Poly Octaves 4 - 2016-11-09 17-21-13.kipr Poly Octaves 3 - 2016-11-09 17-20-55.kipr Poly Octaves 2 - 2016-11-09 17-20-36.kipr Poly Octaves 1 - 2016-11-09 17-20-16.kipr Octave Slapback - 2016-11-09 15-55-31.kipr Musical Box 2 - 2016-11-09 17-19-53.kipr Musical Box 1 - 2016-11-09 17-19-27.kipr Moth Wings - 2016-11-09 17-23-25.kipr Marvin - 2016-11-08 13-43-54.kipr Major 2 - 2016-11-09 17-35-12.kipr Major 1 - 2016-11-09 17-34-57.kipr Wholetones - 2016-11-09 17-29-01.kipr Warm Pad - 2016-11-09 15-45-19.kipr Vibro Up - 2016-11-09 16-22-32.kipr Upwards Arpeggio - 2016-11-09 16-13-13.kipr Underwater - 2016-11-09 15-44-20.kipr Twinkling Stars - 2016-11-09 16-21-25.kipr Harp - 2016-11-09 16-11-49.kipr Half Reverse Pad - 2016-11-09 15-51-42.kipr Gritty - 2016-11-09 17-29-47.kipr Foundation - 2016-11-09 15-48-01.kipr Five of Nine - 2016-11-09 16-01-20.kipr Fifth of Scotch - 2016-11-09 15-59-44.kipr Fibonacci 13-16 - 2016-11-06 15-49-59.kipr Dream Sequence - 2016-11-03 16-48-14.kipr Downward Tape - 2016-11-03 16-45-17.kipr Dark Mystery - 2016-11-09 15-40-22.kipr Crystal Stairway - 2016-11-09 15-53-38.kipr Crystal Heights - 2016-11-09 15-46-47.kipr Crystal 5th - 2016-11-09 15-49-08.kipr Close Encounter - 2016-11-04 14-43-11.kipr Chorus Organ - 2016-11-09 15-57-37.kipr Bowed Metal - 2016-11-09 16-25-00.kipr Boo Hotel - 2016-11-03 16-49-12.kipr Big Triad - 2016-11-09 16-27-40.kipr Big & Dirty - 2016-11-09 15-39-08.kipr Belltower - 2016-11-09 16-14-51.kipr Ballerina Chrom - 2016-11-04 11-46-37.kipr Bagpipes - 2016-11-09 15-52-14.kipr Ascension - 2016-11-09 15-56-29.kipr Alien Communique - 2016-11-09 16-23-55.kipr 12-24 Lead in C - 2016-11-04 11-58-35.kipr High Voicing - 2016-11-09 16-28-44.kipr Those guys know how to do an update... ;) wow thats an amazing firmware update from Kemper... yes exactly... imagine if helix did some of these with the reverbs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 i guess kemper have a fairly matured /well respected product and they can keep the same model in production and popular by giving great firmware updates. I only hope line 6 follow a similar course, maybe committing more resources to updates rather than having everyone working on the next 'big thing' product.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 With all due respect @shanecgriffo, Line 6 has expressed their long-term commitment to the Helix line many times, here and elsewhere, and has demonstrated it with multiple firmware updates, the LT version, the upcoming native version, and absolutely stellar customer support. If your comment was in reference to wanting improved reverbs specifically, fine, vote those requests up on IdeaScale. If it's a more general thing, honestly, I think you're off base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 ahh maybe i am, they seem committed but at the same time i remember reading that there is just one guy that does the majority of the modeling work , i might be wrong so correct me if so please :) I mean, if that's the case, if the guy left for any reason,things would really slow down.. i was just thinking a lot of peoples issues would be sorted if they assigned a few more people to the modelling/update team.. assuming it is mostly just one guy doing this work.. i'm happy to be corrected tho :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 i realize too that the modelling process is probably a lot more labour/time intensive on helix, it being a modeller and the kemper a profiler.. that delay list above would take an extreme amount of resources if it was on helix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanecgriffo Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Same here - I do not like the reverbs. Missing my Neunaber Wet & wishing I had something like a Strymon "Cloud" to work with...someone mentioned running the particle and cave reverbs in parallel, it might not be the same but it's quite nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigGT Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 I was having a play around session yesterday and seeing as I'd never used the effects loops before I plugged my Strymon Bluesky up and it sounded awesome. Whether it's better enough to warrant all the hassle is a different matter. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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