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Hi guys, I've been a Line6 user for years, Own a HD500x, JTV Variax, and DT50, also Pod Farm. But since the upgrade to Windows 10 the drivers and programs were pretty buggy, all of my vsts ran slow in it, so instead of upgrading my PC I decided to say stick it to microsoft and installed Linux Mint 18.1. Now with added freedom everything runs fast, even Windows VST's (including Pod Farm, i'll tell you how I got that going if you make me some drivers), my question is, why hasn't your development team made any support for linux, there are plenty of musos I know that use Linux and want to use your gear but you have no support for it. Hell, we would pay for it.

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You should've done more research, or upgraded your PC. I'm running an ancient Core2 Duo with 8 MB, and a 128GB SSD. No problems with VSTs, DAW (Sonar, Ableton) or anything else for that matter, and it runs BETTER under Windows 10. 

 

Now that you've drunk the LINUX Kool-Aid, all I can say is GOOD LUCK!

 

As far as people moving away from Microsoft to LINUX and OSX being the wave of the future, that's nonsense. I've looked into it and, for AVERAGE USERS (as opposed to sound production professionals and studios), while OSX has some attractions, LINUX doesn't get it. Not enough money (or musically talented socialists) in it to make it work.

 

Also, I support the death penalty for hackers. I might change my opinion on that if, instead of just talking about it, some of the brilliant LINUX hackers out there would actually write some of these drivers. I've been having this discussion with y'all for several years, but still nothing of substance from the Penguin Isles.

 

Lastly, there's LOTS of action on the OSX front, especially in the mobile area, but it's STILL a tiny fraction of the market and, like it or not, most of us who work do it for money.

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Yes, we have all heard how Linux is going to save the world...oh and faster and all of that.

 

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I've got an awesome rotary phone for sale...it's beige, weighs about 17 lbs, and could probably stop a bullet. Who's interested? ;)

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I've got an awesome rotary phone for sale...it's beige, weighs about 17 lbs, and could probably stop a bullet. Who's interested? ;)

Is it compatible with my C64? Does it come with one of those cool musical modem thingies? I need to be able to connect to CompuServe for social networking....

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Is it compatible with my C64? Does it come with one of those cool musical modem thingies? I need to be able to connect to CompuServe for social networking....

Sorry I missed this last night. I was playing Spy Hunter on my Apple IIC...

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You mean there isn't a ton of open source free Linux drivers for the PODHD out there with all the other open source free Linux drivers ???  Oh man I wanted everything for free.

 

Hey about you and the other 4 people using Linux get together and write it yourself.  Then with what you learn doing that, get a job and move out of your parent's basement.  Yeah that was harsh but I'm sick of whining lollipop Linux users who think they going to crush Microsoft and Apple and take over the world because they're the only ones who have seen the light and the rest of us are idiot drones.

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I fried my monitor because I set the refresh rate to high...I am not sure one could do that anymore....maybe so.

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Lol lollipop this thread went to hell, thanks for the help lollipop :D On a serious note though, I would happily pay line 6 for drivers, I just like giving people lollipop online to gauge the reaction, its not like this company takes note of its consumers anyway, so I BOUGHT Amplitube and got it going on my Open source OS that you lollipopwits so wholeheartedly hate because your too stupid to actually learn how to set it up, and have gotten just about every other Windows based VST I have bought working on here. I wonder how many of you actually pay for your music software, us linux users arent stupid, we know most windows torrents listed are infected to the hilt with backdoors and rootkits, so before you go all self righteous to me about "free and open source software" stop downloading ILLEGAL software, or keep downloading it, not my problem if you get your lollipop hacked by some little Linux script kiddie that lives in his parents basement, me, well I'm a happily married 30 year old father that works as a foreman mechanic and computers have always interested me. Peace.

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Also, try getting all this lollipop running on Linux using less ram/cpu than windows at 5ms latency on a Focusrite 2i4 and an outdated I5 2400 cpu w/8gig ram, good luck with that.

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Let me know when UAD writes a Linux driver for their VST hardware so UAD VSTs can be used in Linux...When I see that, I will take Linux seriously for DAW.

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Septicide - how about posting a "HOW TO" guide? Hopefully, you could do it without all the vituperous foul mouth sexist language? In the kind of non-technical terms that would allow those of us who'd rather spend our time playing music than learning the technical details of 15 different Linux distros to get it done on whatever audio (and don't forget MIDI) hardware we happen to own? My Windows pro allows me to run Linux side by side with Windows, and many of us would try it. My guess is that you won't because you're all talk and mostly full of lollipop.

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Now is the perfect time for an oldie:

 

If Operating Systems Were Beers...
 
DOS Beer:
Requires you to use your own can opener, and requires you to read the directions carefully before opening the can. Originally only came in an 8-oz. can, but now comes in a 16-oz. can. However, the can is divided into 8 compartments of 2 oz. each, which have to be accessed separately. Soon to be discontinued, although a lot of people are going to keep drinking it after it's no longer available.
 
Mac Beer:
At first, came only a 16-oz. can, but now comes in a 32-oz. can. Considered by many to be a "light" beer. All the cans look identical. When you take one from the fridge, it opens itself. The ingredients list is not on the can. If you call to ask about the ingredients, you are told that "you don't need to know." A notice on the side reminds you to drag your empties to the trashcan.
 
Windows 3.1 Beer:
The world's most popular. Comes in a 16-oz. can that looks a lot like Mac Beer's. Requires that you already own a DOS Beer. Claims that it allows you to drink several DOS Beers simultaneously, but in reality you can only drink a few of them, very slowly, especially slowly if you are drinking the Windows Beer at the same time. Sometimes, for apparently no reason, a can of Windows Beer will explode when you open it.
 
OS/2 Beer:
Comes in a 32-oz can. Does allow you to drink several DOS Beers simultaneously. Allows you to drink Windows 3.1 Beer simultaneously too, but somewhat slower. Advertises that its cans won't explode when you open them, even if you shake them up. You never really see anyone drinking OS/2 Beer, but the manufacturer (International Beer Manufacturing) claims that 9 million six-packs have been sold.
 
Windows 95 Beer:
A lot of people have taste-tested it and claim it's wonderful. Others say its flat. The can looks a lot like Mac Beer's can, but tastes more like Windows 3.1 Beer. It comes in 32-oz. cans, but when you look inside, the cans only have 16 oz. of beer in them. Most people will probably keep drinking Windows 3.1 Beer until their friends try Windows 95 Beer and say they like it. The ingredients list, when you look at the small print, has some of the same ingredients that come in DOS beer, even though the manufacturer claims that this is an entirely new brew.
 
Windows NT Beer:
Comes in 32-oz. cans, but you can only buy it by the truckload. This causes most people to have to go out and buy bigger refrigerators. The can looks just like Windows 3.1 Beer's, but the company promises to change the can to look just like Windows 95 Beer's - after Windows 95 beer starts shipping. Touted as an "industrial strength" beer, and suggested only for use in bars.
 
Unix Beer:
Comes in several different brands, in cans ranging from 8 oz. to 64 oz. Drinkers of Unix Beer display fierce brand loyalty, even though they claim that all the different brands taste almost identical. Sometimes the pop-tops break off when you try to open them, so you have to have your own can opener around for those occasions, in which case you either need a complete set of instructions, or a friend who has been drinking Unix Beer for several years.
 
AmigaDOS Beer:
The company has gone out of business, but their recipe has been picked up by some weird German company, so now this beer will be an import. This beer never really sold very well because the original manufacturer didn't understand marketing. Like Unix Beer, AmigaDOS Beer fans are an extremely loyal and loud group. It originally came in a 16-oz. can, but now comes in 32-oz. cans too. When this can was originally introduced, it appeared flashy and colorful, but the design hasn't changed much over the years, so it appears dated now. Critics of this beer claim that it is only meant for watching TV anyway.
 
VMS Beer:
Requires minimal user interaction, except for popping the top and sipping. However cans have been known on occasion to explode, or contain extremely un-beer-like contents. Best drunk in high pressure development environments. When you call the manufacturer for the list of ingredients, you're told that is proprietary and referred to an unknown listing in the manuals published by the FDA. Rumors are that this was once listed in the Physicians' Desk Reference as a tranquilizer, but no one can claim to have actually seen it.
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Windows 10 beer - can looks great, they open automatically whether you want them to or not. Your choice WILL be reported. Cans still occasionally explode. If you call for support, after reading a boiler-plate response you get an honest reply  - "No hablo ingles". FREE for life exploding updates!

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It's the same old crap.  Linux is just an open source variant of Unix.  I don't know how many times I've heard unix drones tell me about how great their version of unix is over everything else and it will soon take over the desktop.  I've heard this for almost 30 years now.  I don't think it's going to happen.

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It's the same old crap. Linux is just an open source variant of Unix. I don't know how many times I've heard unix drones tell me about how great their version of unix is over everything else and it will soon take over the desktop. I've heard this for almost 30 years now. I don't think it's going to happen.

And even if it were the best thing since indoor plumbing, with Apple and Microsoft owning the market, getting any traction would be basically impossible anyway.

 

Go ahead and invent an engine that runs on tap water...as long as there's still oil to pull out of the ground, you'll get nowhere.

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No more global warming, Linux already runs on tap water!

Penguins to the rescue!

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Android Beer - Droid beer lets itself out of the fridge, opens itself and then explodes.  

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RD2RK Since your the only person who actually asked a question.

 

Get Linux Mint 18.1 Xfce

 

 
You'll need Carla, Cadence, JackD2, the tutorial covers most of it and how to get your low latency kernel etc.
 
Use Jackd2, its much more stable
 
*Warning in that tutorial under 4 - /etc/pam.d/common-session
DON'T DO THIS, it locks your user out of your PC, leave PAM ALONE!
 
make sure you have wineasio-64 and wineasio:386
 
For Carla make sure you have the following installed from KX Repos
 
carla-bridge-win32
carla-bridge-win64
carla-bridge-wine64
carla-bridge-wine32:i386
carla-plugins-lv2
carla-data
carla-lv2
carla-vst
carla-bridge-linux64
carla-git
carla-bridge-linux32:i386
 
Buy Bitwig, or try with the version of Ardour thats on the KXStudio Repo, I found Bitwig to be much better.
 
LV2 Plugins only work in Carla under Bitwig.
 
Some windows VST's may come up with runtime errors in wine when you install them, you will need to debug these and install the windows librarys like VC2005 for example to get them to work.
 
Theres also the setting up of your Linux Distro and you don't need to use Mint, I just found it to be a much more "complete" os than many, if you just want an audio only distro thats already set up with jack and the kernel etc and just want to plug in and get recording try AV Linux http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/ or http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/
 
spaceatl
 
My mate uses UAD and Apogee for all of his recording, we're working on some drivers atm with a few other people, I'll keep you in the loop if we get it working properly.
 
See guys, I'm not a complete foul mouthed L0000LLIP0Pwit, if you want some help feel free to ask, I was a Windows insider during the formation of Win10, and I think thats what made me look elsewhere, in terms of Linux experience, I've got about as much as you, but programming has always been something I've enjoyed for Windows, and wanted to move to something more challenging. And I always wondered, what cant be done under Linux besides the games thing, seems like that question is getting harder to answer as the os (That I really hated many years ago when I tried it) is indeed getting much much better.
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Septicide-

 

I appreciate your taking the time to fill in some of the details about the subject of LINUX for musical applications. It's also obvious that, like many LINUX folk (aka Penguins :) ), you really like the technical and creative aspects of working with that OS. That said (uhoh, here it comes) - 

 

"if you just want an audio only distro thats already set up with jack and the kernel etc and just want to plug in and get recording try AV Linux http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/ or http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/"

 

Everything up to the above quoted section of your post goes directly to my point. Most people just want to play and/or record music. They really don't give a rat's patootie about all the technical crap. Plug it in, turn it on and ROCK OUT! There's no shame in that, artists aren't necessarily techies, and techies aren't necessarily artists. To each his own. Most of us are happy with our MS or Apple systems, and when we have problems we come to forums like this for solutions. We try to be nice to one another but, well, some people suck at being nice.

 

Concerning the above quoted section. I went to the AVLINUX site to check it out. The last time I looked into this there were no music specific "appliance" style distros. The latest release of AVLINUX was March 2016, and users had been waiting over a year. That's because it's a one man operation. Very impressive (assuming it's a good system), but what if he gets tired of the project, or worse, ceases to exist. I don't want MY studio dependent on one guy, I want a product with a development team that will carry on and be able to support me down the road. Paragraph two on the page is titled "RTFM". The FM is 84 pages. All in LINUX geek-speak. And that's just to get the system up and running. He makes it a point that he makes no guarantees that, even if you can find LINUX equivalents to the massive quantity of applications and VSTs available in the MS/Apple world, they'll run on his platform, or that he feels required to provide any level of support for anything other than the system itself. At least he's honest, unlike in our world where you PAY for support and get (too often) screwed.

 

Bottom line: LINUX is simply NOT ready for prime time. It's a hobbyists platform with lots of devoted adherents, but it's nowhere near being a serious challenger to the established platforms. When LINUX people come onto forums like this and spout the kind of BS you laid out in your opening post, if we were less than human we'd just shake our heads and move on. But we humans, the nice ones, find that it's so much more fun to laugh and goof on you and jerk your chain and laugh some more. The not nice ones are taking themselves too seriously.

 

I wish you the best of luck in your travels through Penguin Land, and I sincerely hope that, along the way, you find time to make some really good music. ROCK ON!

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r2drk

 

Yeah thats cool man, point taken, I know who I'm talking with and was never good at sales, technical is what I do, thats why I'm a mechanic.

 

It's good hearing from someone who has taken the time to at least try and hate it, rather than dismiss it altogether,

 

What I'd like to see is more development into making it an easier process for people, for instance you install your os, install your daw, and load in your plugins and your done.

 

The biggest issue I found with KXStudio and AvLinux is exactly what you pointed out, they are both running old versions of the os now, one distro in particular has alot of promise, and that's Linux mint, it gets regular updates and bug/security fixes from Ubuntu, but it's also its own breed as there is a Team developing it, 

 

You've given me an idea, we need a supported os right? Why not a Linux Mint XFCE derivative that uses its update manager, have the low latency kernel and jack drivers wine etc already set up ready so someone just needs to buy their daw, install their vsts, and get an interface that works with it,

 

And your right, it still has alot of work to go before you'll see this in a studio, yet alone a pro one, but if nobody tests it, or tries it, as with most open source, will be another promising project forgotten. The biggest issue really is pulling closed source companies into the circle, the likes of Bitwig give out demos like Avid Pro Tools or Reaper do, but still ask a fee to use the pro version of their Linux daw, and they've kept their code closed, I don't see a problem with that, maybe a few other companies need to stop being so worried and just bite the bullet, make multi platform software as a general rule, that is what has always held back linux, maybe there will be some promise soon now Linus striked a deal with Microsoft last year to incorporate the Linux Kernel to Windows 10, might give a few companies (not hackers) a chance to develop more commercial programs for it.

 

Yeah I'm pretty easy Joel, call me.

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Septicide - 

 

"...was never good at sales, technical is what I do, thats why I'm a mechanic."

 

I can dig it. I used to be a database programmer, loved the work, the intellectual challenge, but I'm not a team player and talking to people in suits more often than not just pisses me off. Now I drive a truck, and smile more.

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Hi, I have good news.

We could patch the line6usb drivers and make my pod hd500x capture and playback in linux with kernel above or equal 4.9. I'm writing a guide on how to do it, when ready I will let you know. With a small change I believe it could work with pod hd pro, but I don't have one to test it.

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Hi with the help of the guy that did the POD X3 patch, we created a patch for POD HD500X and we are working to be merged in Kernel. Here is the preliminary instruction on how to patch it in kernel 4.9+ and compile the module: https://sites.google...od-hd500x-linux I also believe that this could be easily replicated for HD PRO, POD HD PROX and HD Desktop but I don't have this devices to test it so we could also merged it in the kernel. So, if you have any of this devices and want to try, you would need to make some changes in the patch. changing the device_id, and where 500X appears change it with your device. If it still doesn't work, I can guide you in some small changes. Tell me how is it going to include it in the patch. Finnaly, any other HD user (300,400,500), it would be useful to test if the changes doesn't affected you, so when the new kernel arrive you won't be affected. So, please try it and tell me if it stop working.

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YMMV:

 

This is what worked for me on Ubuntu 16.04.02 for the Pod X3 Live:

 

Installed KXStudio repos (for updated qjackctl to fix a bug I had)

 

 

# Install required dependencies if needed
sudo apt-get install apt-transport-https software-properties-common wget

# Download package file
wget https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-debian/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-repos_9.4.6~kxstudio1_all.deb

# Install it
sudo dpkg -i kxstudio-repos_9.4.6~kxstudio1_all.deb

 

 

 

Then I installed the latest mainline kernel for amd64 from here:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/

 

  linux-headers-4.9.37-040937_4.9.37-040937.201707121132_all.deb
  linux-headers-4.9.37-040937-generic_4.9.37-040937.201707121132_amd64.deb
  linux-headers-4.9.37-040937-lowlatency_4.9.37-040937.201707121132_amd64.deb
  linux-image-4.9.37-040937-generic_4.9.37-040937.201707121132_amd64.deb
  linux-image-4.9.37-040937-lowlatency_4.9.37-040937.201707121132_amd64.deb

 

Then I rebooted

 

Upon reboot, I can now see my Line6 connected in ALSA:

 

hux@bot:~ $ aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC269VC Analog [ALC269VC Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: PODX3LIVE [POD X3 LIVE], device 0: POD X3 LIVE [POD X3 LIVE]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
 
 
 
So I start   qjackctl
 
Under 'Setup' then 'Advanced (tab)'  - I changed the input and output devices to point to the Line6 detected device.
Saved, then clicked 'Start' on the jackctl transport
 
Then I started Audacity and made sure the Jack Audio Connection was set, along with the input channel (in my case to '2')
 
 
 
See screenshots for reference points
 
Good luck! 
 
 

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