keirmc Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Before buying my Helix I was running a large board into two amps. I know I can easily run the helix into 2 frfr speakers but I was wondering if I can use it into two amps without any issues obviously just as a pedalboard / no amp models. Can the Helix flip the phase of one of its outputs? If I decided to sell one of my amps would it be possible to combine on amp and one FRFR speaker? Would I have phase issues here? I currently blend a fender and vox AC30 but it would be cool to keep the fender as a base tone and add a vox or a Marshall or whatever other amp I fancy to that mix via the helix. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 If you are not using 4CM, you can go into 4 different amps or FRFRish speakers, or a combination. You have 4 separate outputs to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keirmc Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 Cool but can you flip the phase of one of the outputs or would I need to add more equipment to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbojamz Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I've not seen any phase flipping controls on the Helix. I haven't looked for them but I don't think you can without more gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Cool but can you flip the phase of one of the outputs or would I need to add more equipment to do that? Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keirmc Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 Ok that's manageable as I can keep my old splitter. Has anyone tried combining an FRFR with a valve amp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorbeats Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Good question on phase. I've never run into that as a problem though. I run one FRFR and a tube amp. Never had any type of phase issue. I run a small tube amp and an alto 210 or 212. Here is the kicker though-I do not run everything through both. I typically run volume, wah, compressor, pre-amp, amp block, eq, reverb to the tube amp through send 1. The path continues along, includes the previously mentioned and adds modulation effects, delays, cab block to FRFR. This way I have dirt and reverb in one send, dirt reverb modulation, delay in the other. Makes for a nice full sound. When I play live I mic the tube amp to one channel on the board, and either pull direct out of the alto, or direct out of the helix to another channel on the board. I also run a separate path (2) for acoustic guitar for another player in the band. That goes direct to FRFR/board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keirmc Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 Cool, what amp do you use? Would you mind sharing how you use your setup please? Do you blend your amp with a selection of amp models on the helix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicLaw Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 After you have Split the Signal Path, Helix's Merge Block (Knob 5 Parameter) allows reversal of Signal Path B's Polarity, should you wish to Invert it's Phase where it converges back with Path A. See Helix 2.0 User Guide Rev D PDF Page 31. I do not know of another place where Helix offers a Phase reversal parameter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorbeats Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Cool, what amp do you use? Would you mind sharing how you use your setup please? Do you blend your amp with a selection of amp models on the helix? Savage Macht 12. Just loaded the patch to custom tone. Golden Arch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keirmc Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 After you have Split the Signal Path, Helix's Merge Block (Knob 5 Parameter) allows reversal of Signal Path B's Polarity, should you wish to Invert it's Phase where it converges back with Path A. See Helix 2.0 User Guide Rev D PDF Page 31. I do not know of another place where Helix offers a Phase reversal parameter. Great thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keirmc Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Savage Macht 12. Just loaded the patch to custom tone. Golden Arch. I'll check it out, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNFM94 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Can you use the helix as an ABY switch between 2 amps? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralumus Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 4/5/2017 at 8:14 AM, taylorbeats said: Good question on phase. I've never run into that as a problem though. I run one FRFR and a tube amp. Never had any type of phase issue. I run a small tube amp and an alto 210 or 212. Here is the kicker though-I do not run everything through both. I typically run volume, wah, compressor, pre-amp, amp block, eq, reverb to the tube amp through send 1. The path continues along, includes the previously mentioned and adds modulation effects, delays, cab block to FRFR. This way I have dirt and reverb in one send, dirt reverb modulation, delay in the other. Makes for a nice full sound. When I play live I mic the tube amp to one channel on the board, and either pull direct out of the alto, or direct out of the helix to another channel on the board. I also run a separate path (2) for acoustic guitar for another player in the band. That goes direct to FRFR/board. Thanks for the info, but any chance you could provide a bit more detail? Yours is the closest post I've seen anywhere that addresses a simple wet/dry solution with 2 tube amps. What cabling are you using? What is your signal path? How are you splitting/merging? To quote the Necromonger Lord Commander from The Chronicles of Riddick, "These are the things I need to know!". :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorbeats Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Guitar-Helix Input -Volume Block-Compressor-Pre-Amp or Amp Block-eq-reverb-send block to small tube amp (no return)-path continues-mod-delay-cab block or IR-to Alto All on one path. acoustic on separate path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.