Best routing of harmonizer..

[twystedriffs]

So, I had been running my helix through stereo power blocs and cabs. Recently went to dual alto's. Needless to say, I am rebuilding my patches with cabs, etc.. I had one patch previously that used a harmonizer and sounded glorious. Almost true dual lead sound. Now it sounds too blended, not enough distinction and the harmonizer is kinda synthy sounding. Anybody had good luck with a stereo harmony patch and want to share their secrets? More high gain sound..thank you!

[requietus666]

you definitely want to put harmonizer after overdrives if you need them to remotely remind different takes, otherwise it will sound as if played on one instrument. time based and modulation fx go after the harmonizer in chain. harmonizer will sound synthy, yes, but try lowering the mix of harmonizer module, it does not need to cut thru, just a little presence

[DunedinDragon]

I always get great results placing it after the amp and cab just prior to the final reverb/delay effects.  This gives me a well articulated and very believable dual guitar harmony effect which I use on a number of different patches.

[aleclee]

I run before the cab/IR block to minimize the impact on formants. If I have the CPU cycles, I'd go with a second amp (different settings if not model) and split paths to get things more distinct.

[cwelling]

Other options:

 

• Put a slight delay (<50ms, Feedback=<15) before one side of the stereo signal before the harmonizer
• Use the Dual Pitch for any fixed intervals like 5ths and Octaves and set a slight delay
• Experiment with a stereo pan either before or after the Harmonizer.  Try both slow pans and very fast pans.  Play with the mix control to taste.  
• Use 2 Harmonizers with different settings and mute one of the voices on each.  

[twystedriffs]

Thanks everyone comma I'm getting closer. When I switch to direct as opposed to going to an amp, I find a lot of wonderful things. However there are a few things that I greatly Miss and this particular patch is one of them exclamation point I know it won't be the same but as long as I can get a close I'll be happy period I'll be tweaking for a few hours this evening and I'll try your ideas

[aleclee]

Thanks everyone comma I'm getting closer. When I switch to direct as opposed to going to an amp, I find a lot of wonderful things. However there are a few things that I greatly Miss and this particular patch is one of them exclamation point I know it won't be the same but as long as I can get a close I'll be happy period I'll be tweaking for a few hours this evening and I'll try your ideas

 

Looks like your speech-to-text isn't detecting punctuation. (period)

[erniedenov]

I always get great results placing it after the amp and cab just prior to the final reverb/delay effects.

 

Same here. I was a little surprised that it sounded awful in front of the amp and great after the cab, but that's why you have to experiment with what sounds best where in the chain; it's not always what you'd expect.

 

When using the dual pitch block, it's helpful to understand the scale modes. For instance, when I wanted to harmonize with a Dorian mode (I call it "The Santana Mode;" the one that works best if you're playing over a progression like Emin7 to A7), I set the Dual Pitch to D major. Dorian is the second mode of that scale.

 

And I don't know if anybody would be interested in this, but a setting I like to use with Dual Pitch is based on a wide chord voicing that I've always liked the sound of. I set one harmony a 6th below the primary pitch and the other one a 5th above. It's a huge sound, try it! 

[jbuhajla]

Looks like your speech-to-text isn't detecting punctuation. (period)

He is busy tweaking his preset and doesn't have time to type on a keyboard period

[twystedriffs]

Yeah comma I was period

But seriously, thanks for the advice, it has gotten better, it is just one of the few downgrades I have noticed since going direct. It sounded amazing through my amp setup!

[Rocco_Crocco]

I put mine between the amp and cab/IR.