willjrock Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 This is a free IR. Ive enjoyed it inside TH3 for a while now. Ive tried to load it in Helix, but it gives no sound. There doesnt seem to be any similar complaints on the net. Has anyone had any success with this IR? Inside or outside Helix? Also, i havent been able to get this IR to work in ANY capacity, other than inside TH3. Ive even downloaded it from different sites on different occasions. Any clue what gives? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Also, i havent been able to get this IR to work in ANY capacity, other than inside TH3 where it comes as part of the program. I couldn't find it in TH3 (v3.4.2 64bit). Looked in ProgramData/Overloud/TH3/IR. Is there someplace else it could be hiding? Other DL locations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 I couldn't find it in TH3 (v3.4.2 64bit). Looked in ProgramData/Overloud/TH3/IR. Is there someplace else it could be hiding? Other DL locations?. Hey brother thanks for the reply. Load the IR cabinet. There should be an entry in there for Diezel. If there is not then either I have added it myself and I am completely mistaken about what I'm saying but I don't believe that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Here's what I see in TH3's IR selection. You mentioned alternative DL sites? EDIT: Image removed to reclaim Attachment allotment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Yeah after installing the latest version on another computer i realized i was incorrect in saying that IR came WITH TH3. Still though, its the only place i can get it to work. Would hate to have to drag a computer with me any time i want to use it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Maybe post it here if you're sure it's free, see if it works for anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 This is where it lives online: http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?t=3373 You'll need to register first. I'll try it out after lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 OK, very strange. I loaded the 6505 IR into a new preset with the PV Panama (seemed appropriate). Nothing. Pulled it down into a split and BANG! It won't work in a straight line, but in the bottom of a split, bingo! Then I put the Soldano IR in the top and assigned a switch to toggle them, both work. BUT....Can't tell the difference between them! AND...If you turn them both on at once, NOTHING! If you bypass both, you get the harsh sounding amp-without-cab tone. Listening to all three configurations (amp only, top on, bottom on) consecutively, it sounds more like the amp sound thru identical filters but not really cab IRs. Thinking it was my old R'n'R ears playing tricks on me, I set up a similar test with S-Gear, using the STEALER amp. Both 6505 and Soldano versions sound GREAT (thanks for turning me on to these), but VERY different! Conclusion: these IRs don't really work with Helix. I'm going to try posting in the GuitarAmpModeling forum that I got these from and see if anybody has any ideas, maybe the author? I'll get back if I hear anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 OK, very strange. I loaded the 6505 IR into a new preset with the PV Panama (seemed appropriate). Nothing. Pulled it down into a split and BANG! It won't work in a straight line, but in the bottom of a split, bingo! Then I put the Soldano IR in the top and assigned a switch to toggle them, both work. BUT....Can't tell the difference between them! AND...If you turn them both on at once, NOTHING! If you bypass both, you get the harsh sounding amp-without-cab tone. Listening to all three configurations (amp only, top on, bottom on) consecutively, it sounds more like the amp sound thru identical filters but not really cab IRs. Thinking it was my old R'n'R ears playing tricks on me, I set up a similar test with S-Gear, using the STEALER amp. Both 6505 and Soldano versions sound GREAT (thanks for turning me on to these), but VERY different! Conclusion: these IRs don't really work with Helix. I'm going to try posting in the GuitarAmpModeling forum that I got these from and see if anybody has any ideas, maybe the author? I'll get back if I hear anything. Wow! Thats really a wierd set of events lol. Wonder what the hang-up is? Whatever the file is, you would assume Helix would convert them to a 48/16 file it can read. (yeah its a .wav, but......) Ive had these IRs for close to 10 years and could never really get them to work. After hearing how nice they sounded in TH3, I hoped re-downloading them from guitaramp modeling.com would give me a workable helix file, but no luck. I have a few other IRs that act the same way. . Im partial to the Soldano poweramp IR by the way. I loaded the 6505 IR into a new preset with the PV Panama (seemed appropriate). Nothing See it works fine for me like this if im understanding you. Panama in Helix and Cab IR inside TH3 and thats it. Dude ive had some REAL good luck with the Damien and Ghandi IRs, if by chance you havent messed with them much. As a matter of fact TH3 has been sounding nice lately. Its my opinion that the cab sounds and cab control just destroy anything Helix has to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 My tests were run using the IRs within Helix. I'm sure that if I run into the PC, any of the IR loaders I have would work, but the whole point of owning the Helix is for simple take-it-out-and-play use. Fact is, most of the computer amp sims I use sound better than the Helix (to my ears), and without near as much tweaking. Not that I don't get good sounds out of the Helix, but the learning curve is much steeper. However, the Helix goes out to jam while the computer stays home. Strangely (or not), once I start playing with the Helix in a live mix, it sounds great! When I started looking into this, I first loaded up TH3, which I hadn't used in a while. I always forget how good TH3 sounds, and how flexible it is. It's pretty, too! :) I use an FX only TH3 preset in front of S-Gear for some really nice sounds. That also allows me to use MIDI from an FCB1010-UNO pedalboard to turn things on/off. So, just to be thorough, I loaded up Native and tried the Diezel IRs. No joy. Baffling how a simple wav file works everywhere except in Helix land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zooey Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Haven't had a chance to try it, but those IRs are big in their original form, must have some ambience tail to them. I wonder if Helix is unable to convert them to its 2048-sample format, or if the way it does that happens to give you that result. Maybe try truncating them manually with other software first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Like, around 10x the size of 3sigma and Ownhammer. You may have hit on the problem right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 Haven't had a chance to try it, but those IRs are big in their original form, must have some ambience tail to them. I wonder if Helix is unable to convert them to its 2048-sample format, or if the way it does that happens to give you that result. Maybe try truncating them manually with other software first? Nice find dude. Like, around 10x the size of 3sigma and Ownhammer. You may have hit on the problem right there! Havent had time over the last day or two, but was wondering if you found any complaints or intel at any of the other modeling forums? Surely somebody had to run into something similar with this file? Didnt seem like ANYONE else really had a problem using these IRs. No helix users at that point yeah, but i recall seeing some axe fx'ers there, no? Maybe when they converted to .sysex for axe fx it took care of it. I dont know. My tests were run using the IRs within Helix. Ooops my bad. TH3 "splits" similarly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 Like, around 10x the size of 3sigma and Ownhammer. You may have hit on the problem right there! Oh yeah i DID post at ampmodeling.com.. I just forgot. It might be my first post there ever ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 Maybe try truncating them manually with other software first? Yep that totally worked. Much appreciate the brainpower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarist1982 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I don't know if these are the ones,that you are looking for. Here are 2 links. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ha11ldbmd5597y6/Diezel%20V30%20SM57%20%286505%20PowerAmp%29.wav?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/jfiya8mlqc7hv9h/Diezel%20V30%20SM57%20%28Soldano%20HR%20PowerAmp%29.wav?dl=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willjrock Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 I don't know if these are the ones,that you are looking for. Here are 2 links. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ha11ldbmd5597y6/Diezel%20V30%20SM57%20%286505%20PowerAmp%29.wav?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/jfiya8mlqc7hv9h/Diezel%20V30%20SM57%20%28Soldano%20HR%20PowerAmp%29.wav?dl=0 Appreciate it man but nobody looking for IRs. You DID read the thread before replying right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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