steelstringer Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I have really been enjoying the tones that I am getting when blending 2 different amp models together. Is there a way to blend 3, or am I getting too greedy now? What would the routing look like if this is possible? Btw, my setup is using all Helix amp models/effects direct to my mixer. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritch666 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Yes it is, just split your signal through 2 amp from input a, and even 2 other amp on input b. You can route your signal any way you want on Helix, but you will run out of DSP power fast with 3 4 amp. Also, your sound is really shape by your cab Sim, and it take a lot of DSP. So you are better keeping some DSP for impulse or cab block. Try to build two paralle single cab block per amp with a little room reverb, almost nothing , for one cab. It can be twice the same cab with different mic. I think you will achieve a way bigger sound with more cab block than amp block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Thank you for the feedback, Gritch. My goal is to blend two different overdriven amps and one clean/chorus-y amp. Right now, my two favorite patches are a Park/interstate zed blend and a Park/Roland blend, so I am trying to get the best of both worlds. It's pretty awesome that the Helix provides these possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Also, if anyone has a screenshot of a 3 amp blend, I would really appreciate it. I am struggling to create this patch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritch666 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2AZA2GLcNOn9cmy1 Here's my paper screen shot, I'm at work so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Sweet! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHamm Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 I've done it. Get past 2 amps and it all became mush for me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Question: If I use this kind of approach, then I choose a guitar input for both paths 1 and 2. I have read on this board that this often causes an unprocessed , dry guitar signal that negatively affects the tone of the patch. Is this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingsCool Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Question: If I use this kind of approach, then I choose a guitar input for both paths 1 and 2. I have read on this board that this often causes an unprocessed , dry guitar signal that negatively affects the tone of the patch. Is this true? That's only true if you actually create a path for unprocessed guitar to get through. Then it will get through. But there are no "bugs" in this regard, no. Those users just weren't paying close attention. It's really important to analyze your signal path so you understand what is going where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 That's only true if you actually create a path for unprocessed guitar to get through. Then it will get through. But there are no "bugs" in this regard, no. Those users just weren't paying close attention. It's really important to analyze your signal path so you understand what is going where. That makes sense. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twystedriffs Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I have done a few similar patches. Obviously DSP is the main thing. I have one I am very fond of where I run two paths with regular amps and effects, then a third path for a clean overtone. I do not put any amp on that path, just a IR or cabinet some Reverb and delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wafry1975 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I've done it. Get past 2 amps and it all became mush for me. agreed! even 2 amps fully wet gets kinda lost... my BEST experience has been wet/dry... one amp path clean and wet with effects, and a second path set barely dirty/ edge of breakup, and dry it creates a great stereo effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 agreed! even 2 amps fully wet gets kinda lost... my BEST experience has been wet/dry... one amp path clean and wet with effects, and a second path set barely dirty/ edge of breakup, and dry it creates a great stereo effect Cool idea. I'll give it a shot later tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 I have spent some time lately creating patches with varying amp blends, and the advice on this thread was super helpful. Thanks for the input. The sad reality, however, hit me when I compared these very "busy" presets to some of my older, simplistic ones with one amp and 2 irs. The simpler presets sat better in the mix (live mix, I mean). The amp blends sound awesome, but they're a little cluttered sounding to me. They aren't as crisp and defined as one nicely dialed in amp. Of course, my ears might say otherwise the next time I turn on the Helix (that happens to me frequently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I have spent some time lately creating patches with varying amp blends, and the advice on this thread was super helpful. Thanks for the input. The sad reality, however, hit me when I compared these very "busy" presets to some of my older, simplistic ones with one amp and 2 irs. The simpler presets sat better in the mix (live mix, I mean). The amp blends sound awesome, but they're a little cluttered sounding to me. They aren't as crisp and defined as one nicely dialed in amp. Of course, my ears might say otherwise the next time I turn on the Helix (that happens to me frequently). Yes, there is a HUGE difference in building presets that sound fantastic when playing solo at home, and one that will sit in a mix with a band. I think most forum members that are integrating multiple modeling systems or VSTs, and filling up their presets with dozens of effects are trying to achieve solo home tones. Sometimes they can be utilized in a recording, but usually when there isn't much else going on in the other tracks. Don't get me wrong, I do the same thing at home just experimenting with the capabilities/concepts, but my live in the mix presets are much different for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aepoc Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 9/9/2017 at 10:43 AM, PeterHamm said: I've done it. Get past 2 amps and it all became mush for me. I have a patch on my CustomTone where I use three amps, but I'm running one hard left, one center, one hard right. It's called Mohawk. Lemme know what you think: https://line6.com/customtone/tone/5531636/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, aepoc said: I have a patch on my CustomTone where I use three amps, but I'm running one hard left, one center, one hard right. It's called Mohawk. Lemme know what you think: https://line6.com/customtone/tone/5531636/ This thread is 4 years old... don't be surprised if you don't get a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunedinDragon Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, cruisinon2 said: This thread is 4 years old... don't be surprised if you don't get a response. I think we can safely refer to this as a "Walking Dead" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aepoc Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, DunedinDragon said: I think we can safely refer to this as a "Walking Dead" thread. Yep, I know. But I wanted to put it up there in case he (or anyone else) wanted to try it out. I won't be upset or disappointed if I get nothing in response :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ha! I did see it. Thanks for the response. Yep, I really like building patches like this. They sound especially great through a nice set of studio headphones. You can get some really inspiring tones this way. But like I mentioned in my post from 2017 (wow, time flies), for any live application of the Helix, I tend to use very basic patches. One amp. One IR. Basic effects when needed. I just find that I can hear myself in a mix so much better, probably because it’s easier to eq fewer variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aepoc Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 hours ago, steelstringer said: Ha! I did see it. Thanks for the response. Yep, I really like building patches like this. They sound especially great through a nice set of studio headphones. You can get some really inspiring tones this way. But like I mentioned in my post from 2017 (wow, time flies), for any live application of the Helix, I tend to use very basic patches. One amp. One IR. Basic effects when needed. I just find that I can hear myself in a mix so much better, probably because it’s easier to eq fewer variables. No kidding time flies! You could try the global EQ for working with multi-amp patches, but I do agree that it would only go so far. Just wanted to chime in and share anyhow. Hope you're doing awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelstringer Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 12 hours ago, aepoc said: No kidding time flies! You could try the global EQ for working with multi-amp patches, but I do agree that it would only go so far. Just wanted to chime in and share anyhow. Hope you're doing awesome. I always enjoy looking at other users’ patches. I’ve gotten so many cool ideas this way. This is especially true with more complicated patches, like yours, because there are so many different ways to construct these tones with the Helix. Thanks again for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aepoc Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, steelstringer said: I always enjoy looking at other users’ patches. I’ve gotten so many cool ideas this way. This is especially true with more complicated patches, like yours, because there are so many different ways to construct these tones with the Helix. Thanks again for sharing. You're welcome... happy to do it. For sure, I love getting patches to try out. Jason Sadites has helped a lot too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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