melodicdiscord 0 Posted September 26, 2017 Hey, I recently picked up a used JTV-69 for an amazing price. While it definitely does some things well, I was disappointed with the degraded sound of the baritone acoustic settings. I've owned three real baritone acoustic guitars, and haven't been happy with any of them so far. I was hoping this could be a great solution, but the quality of the pitched down notes just isn't there. Is the Shuriken definitively better sounding then the JTV on a pure acoustic model in the baritone tuning setting? Can anyone post examples? I was using the stock Acoustic J model doing some light finger picking in first position on strings six to two. Will post audio examples if anyone is curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruisinon2 2,433 Posted September 27, 2017 The modeling is all the same...the Shuriken just wraps it in a different package. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eenymason 41 Posted September 27, 2017 It has been boasted that because of the extra tension over the piezos (because of the longer scale length), the alt-tunings track better, but maybe Stevic only gets it to work due to some agreement he has with Batman - oh and maybe the amp modelling in Helix covers up any ugliness you can hear on an untainted acoustic tone? Just a thought... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psarkissian 349 Posted September 27, 2017 I thought Stevic is Batman. ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SymphonicDischord 33 Posted September 27, 2017 If you like, I could try and do a quick recording with my Shuriken on one of the acoustic models and using the baritone tuning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psarkissian 349 Posted September 27, 2017 crusinon2,... true, up to a point. The Shuriken has some patches designed by Stevic with our guys here, also known as artist patches. So the Modeling is the same, just some of the Model patches selections are different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruisinon2 2,433 Posted September 27, 2017 crusinon2,... true, up to a point. The Shuriken has some patches designed by Stevic with our guys here, also known as artist patches. So the Modeling is the same, just some of the Model patches selections are different. Ugh... Customer: "Does this car have the same engine as previous models?" Salesman: "It comes in 3 new colors!". Customer: "Marvelous, but that's not the question I asked". It could have a model of an overdriven bassoon, or the world's most perfect approximation of a giraffe's mating call...but that really wouldn't have answered his question either. He asked about one of the stock acoustic models, which are all the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psarkissian 349 Posted September 27, 2017 Have you played one of these Shurikens yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psarkissian 349 Posted September 27, 2017 Maybe I should be more specific,... have a look at the Model selections for the Shuriken, compared to the Model selections of the other Variaxes. Stevic came up with some of his own, that we put into the Shuriken. The selector knob on the Shuriken reflects this. Driving a bassoon Model from a string instrument would probably require more CPU overhead to get the double reed emboucher correct, than it would from say a MIDI Wind controller. Giraffe mating call would require more memory, maybe a wavelet decomposition would be useful there. Hmmm,... string initiated overdrive bassoon,... giraffe mating call with pitch shift,... interesting. Like blending a sitar with a bagpipe. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
melodicdiscord 0 Posted September 28, 2017 I appreciate the feedback. So, basically I shouldn't expect it to be much different, except possibly because of the extra tension. Sadly, I feel like I knew all of that already haha. Here is some audio to show what I'm dealing with. It's not the worst, but definitely not what I would call a professional tone. Played something slow low and simple to hear the notes. https://soundcloud.com/michaeljperrotta/finger-picking-standard-and-baritone-jtv69/s-aXiwj If anyone with a Shuriken wants to play and record something similar on the J model, in standard and baritone that would be great! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruisinon2 2,433 Posted September 28, 2017 I appreciate the feedback. So, basically I shouldn't expect it to be much different, except possibly because of the extra tension. Sadly, I feel like I knew all of that already haha. Here is some audio to show what I'm dealing with. It's not the worst, but definitely not what I would call a professional tone. Played something slow low and simple to hear the notes. https://soundcloud.com/michaeljperrotta/finger-picking-standard-and-baritone-jtv69/s-aXiwj If anyone with a Shuriken wants to play and record something similar on the J model, in standard and baritone that would be great! Significantly altered tunings can get to be a problem...left in standard tuning, the acoustic models are quite convincing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malriley 0 Posted February 5, 2018 Is there such a baritone acoustic guitar around to compare it to? Maybe that is what an acoustic baritone guitar really sounds like? I would think that deep tones from a regular acoustic guitar would sound that way because of the size of the sound box not being large enough to resonate well. I liked how it sounded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
