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I have a Marshall DSL40C, that I use as my home practice amp.  

I pulled it apart and put in a new Celestion Creamback speaker, a larger choke, and new Tung-Sol power tubes.

The thing is a small(ish) beast.  Way more clean power than I need in my basement, but it sounds amazing.

 

Then, I got my Helix a couple months ago...

I originally had it plugged into the front of the amp... sounded like crap.  So, I went out and bought an EV ZLX-12P.

I'll admit, the EV monitor sounds really good with the Helix... but it doesn't have that brute power that I missed with the tube amp.

 

This morning, I decided to try plugging the Helix into the Return line of the Marshall amp.

This effectively cuts-out the Marshall's preamp, and just goes straight into the tube power amp section.

 

HO - LY - CRAP!   It sounds friggen amazing!

 

I'll admit, it's not FRFR.  I won't be running vocals through it. 

But for guitar, it sounds incredible.  Much better than the E-V powered monitor (in my opinion)

 

For anyone who has a guitar amp, with send/return on the back, I'd recommend giving this a try.

I know this isn't a new idea... but I just wanted to relay my experience and feedback.

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I have been doing this and love it.

 

I am using a Fender Supersonic, but have also used a JCM800 2210. On both of these amps, my master volume is in front of the effects loop and my only volume control is off the helix.

 

Can you control your power section master volume with the DSL40?

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Just for clarification, FRFR isn't about just running vocals. It's about what everyday normal people hear when they listen to the guitar through a normal speaker system in their car or a home stereo system or even a PA in concert.  Some musicians prefer the big amp in the room sound and the Helix can easily accomplish that by doing as you're doing and routing into the return of an amp.  But that's really more of a unique stage sound than a studio sound which is what people normally hear in everyday music.  That doesn't make it better or worse, just different.  And if that's what you like that's what you should do.  I just wanted to clarify things a bit given your comment about vocals.

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I do the same thing with a Line 6 Firehawk 1500 (into the Return from Helix out mono) and yes, it does sound amazing.

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Just for clarification, FRFR isn't about just running vocals... I just wanted to clarify things a bit given your comment about vocals.

 

I guess my point was; the guitar/Helix sounds great through the Marshall... but that's all. 

I wouldn't go running vocals (or anything else) through it.

 

I realize that even using the power tube section of the Marshall adds some degree of coloring, but I like the end result.

It's just personal taste.  I've found a sound that I really like.  Wanted to share my experience.

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Can you control your power section master volume with the DSL40?

No.  The entire preamp of the Marshall is bypassed.  Volume is controlled by the Helix.

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Same here...I also use a DSL40C with a Celestion Creamback and KT77’s. Use 4CM with my Helix - works great! Still thinking at some point about getting a Friedman ASM 12 or Gemini 2. Only reason would be I really can’t use any cab modeling or IR’s with an actual amp...feel like I’m kind of limiting with it can do...

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Same here...I also use a DSL40C with a Celestion Creamback and KT77’s. Use 4CM with my Helix - works great! Still thinking at some point about getting a Friedman ASM 12 or Gemini 2. Only reason would be I really can’t use any cab modeling or IR’s with an actual amp...feel like I’m kind of limiting with it can do...

 

My Helix LT is currently being sent in the mail. I also plan on running it into my DSL40c via the effects return. I've always been open to putting KT77's in my DSL, and was wondering if you had to do anything special to run them? What did you set their bias at?

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On 1/2/2018 at 6:57 PM, JimmyDee123 said:

I have a Marshall DSL40C, that I use as my home practice amp.  

I pulled it apart and put in a new Celestion Creamback speaker, a larger choke, and new Tung-Sol power tubes.

The thing is a small(ish) beast.  Way more clean power than I need in my basement, but it sounds amazing.

 

Then, I got my Helix a couple months ago...

I originally had it plugged into the front of the amp... sounded like crap.  So, I went out and bought an EV ZLX-12P.

I'll admit, the EV monitor sounds really good with the Helix... but it doesn't have that brute power that I missed with the tube amp.

 

This morning, I decided to try plugging the Helix into the Return line of the Marshall amp.

This effectively cuts-out the Marshall's preamp, and just goes straight into the tube power amp section.

 

HO - LY - CRAP!   It sounds friggen amazing!

 

I'll admit, it's not FRFR.  I won't be running vocals through it. 

But for guitar, it sounds incredible.  Much better than the E-V powered monitor (in my opinion)

 

For anyone who has a guitar amp, with send/return on the back, I'd recommend giving this a try.

I know this isn't a new idea... but I just wanted to relay my experience and feedback.

Hey! I just picked up the Helix and I have a Marshall dsl40c as well. I want to set it up like how you explained (through the send/return) but I can’t figure it out. Could you help me out with where to plug everything in?

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Why not try 4CM and the FX block so you can try out different preamps in the Helix?  Or set up your Helix like a pedalboard via 4CM with delay/rev/EQ in the loop and other effects in front of the Marshall.  

 

Trust me - both methods are awesome!  

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2 hours ago, Cghoward said:

Hey! I just picked up the Helix and I have a Marshall dsl40c as well. I want to set it up like how you explained (through the send/return) but I can’t figure it out. Could you help me out with where to plug everything in?

There are many variatons, but in this case:

guitar > helix > helix 1/4 out into DSL effect loop return.  

 

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I have a Marshall dsl40c with creambacks as well (replaced the 70/80s), but I just bought one of those Headrush FRFRs. The headrush sounds very good, I'm not at all disappointed, but I'm thinking of trying the loop return on the Marshall just to hear what it sounds like. So, the idea is to bypass any Helix cabs or IRs, correct? I suppose I could copy a few of my go-to presets and remove the cabs on the copies in order to run the test.  I wonder if any of you have tried both real amp loop return AND an FRFR powered speaker and have feedback on the results?

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Good Two questions 1 To connect the helix to the return of the applicator, you deactivate the speaker simulators? 2 Anyone could operate the channel change with this amplifier from the helix? regards

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