Dufrense 0 Posted January 24, 2018 Hello, Just read that Headrush are launching a FRFR at Namm. It will be priced at 299 dollars which translates to around 299 Euros. If it gets good reviews I will buy one to use with my Helix because that is a really reasonable price for a FRFR. Link: https://www.gearnews.com/namm-2018-headrush-frfr-112-new-high-powered-speaker-modeller/ /Duf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dshow 80 Posted January 24, 2018 If this is real its an exact copy of the Alto TS212: https://www.altoproaudio.com/images/products/TS212_Back_web.png http://www.headrushfx.com/img/[HC01]FRFR-112_Rear_WEB.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clumsylover78 7 Posted January 24, 2018 If this is real its an exact copy of the Alto TS212: https://www.altoproaudio.com/images/products/TS212_Back_web.png http://www.headrushfx.com/img/[HC01]FRFR-112_Rear_WEB.jpg Giving the fact that Line 6 didn't disclosure anything about the new firmware/hardware, they had to copy something else from someone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dufrense 0 Posted January 24, 2018 If this is real its an exact copy of the Alto TS212: https://www.altoproaudio.com/images/products/TS212_Back_web.png http://www.headrushfx.com/img/[HC01]FRFR-112_Rear_WEB.jpg It's real, link to the official site: http://www.headrushfx.com/products/frfr-112 /Duf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dshow 80 Posted January 24, 2018 I've just read that Alto and Headrush are owned by the same company. So it could be that they took the same case design for a new box. It's pretty interessting at this price range and I'm curious how it sounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DunedinDragon 833 Posted January 24, 2018 I've just read that Alto and Headrush are owned by the same company. So it could be that they took the same case design for a new box. It's pretty interessting at this price range and I'm curious how it sounds. It's a pretty sure thing that it sounds exactly like a Alto TS212. Clearlly just rebranded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dufrense 0 Posted January 24, 2018 It's a pretty sure thing that it sounds exactly like a Alto TS212. Clearlly just rebranded. Yes sure looks like it. How is the Alto? Is it a good speaker? /Duf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dshow 80 Posted January 24, 2018 It's a pretty sure thing that it sounds exactly like a Alto TS212. Clearlly just rebranded. There are some differences in the specs though. Also the Headrush has more power... so it could be an updated version Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DunedinDragon 833 Posted January 24, 2018 There are some differences in the specs though. Also the Headrush has more power... so it could be an updated version Oh I suspect it's an updated version as most everyone in the industry is responding to the new high wattage ceiling that QSC set when it introduced the version 2 K series speakers. It looks like the things they changed such as the heavier voice coil were just to accommodate the higher wattage and higher heat, but it doesn't appear to functionally add anything other than a higher power rating. All of it is kind of silly given that it only produces about 2 or 3db more in SPL....but that's marketing for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyHay 14 Posted January 24, 2018 Oh I suspect it's an updated version as most everyone in the industry is responding to the new high wattage ceiling that QSC set when it introduced the version 2 K series speakers. It looks like the things they changed such as the heavier voice coil were just to accommodate the higher wattage and higher heat, but it doesn't appear to functionally add anything other than a higher power rating. All of it is kind of silly given that it only produces about 2 or 3db more in SPL....but that's marketing for you. So it's 'an exact copy of the Alto', other than little details like different amplifier and different speakers. Hookay then. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lachdanan0121 177 Posted January 24, 2018 Oh I suspect it's an updated version as most everyone in the industry is responding to the new high wattage ceiling that QSC set when it introduced the version 2 K series speakers. It looks like the things they changed such as the heavier voice coil were just to accommodate the higher wattage and higher heat, but it doesn't appear to functionally add anything other than a higher power rating. All of it is kind of silly given that it only produces about 2 or 3db more in SPL....but that's marketing for you. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that basically did with their floor processor? Isn't it basically modified 11rack software in New form? I mean the 11rack was a great peice of kit before the Helix, still is actually. However that does seem to be a trend with HR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cruisinon2 2,313 Posted January 24, 2018 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that basically did with their floor processor? Isn't it basically modified 11rack software in New form? I mean the 11rack was a great peice of kit before the Helix, still is actually. However that does seem to be a trend with HR. When you don't have any of your own ideas, "creatively acquire" someone else's...😉 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DunedinDragon 833 Posted January 24, 2018 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that basically did with their floor processor? Isn't it basically modified 11rack software in New form? I mean the 11rack was a great peice of kit before the Helix, still is actually. However that does seem to be a trend with HR. My guess is you'll probably see an upgraded Alto TS212 at NAMM or shortly thereafter. The powered speaker market seems to be generating a LOT of hot competition these days. Probably competing for the expansion of the market with demand for these speakers in the modeling area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lachdanan0121 177 Posted January 24, 2018 When you don't have any of your own ideas, "creatively acquire" someone else's...😉Although very few ideas are truly unique. Standing on the backs of giants, and all... I will say this "iteration" is happening a lot these days. Look at movies, and video games especially. More remakes/reboots/sequels than new IPs. Lol that said, I do enjoy a good bit of the remake/reboot/sequels 😠lol, especially with gaming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocco_Crocco 144 Posted January 24, 2018 All of it is kind of silly given that it only produces about 2 or 3db more in SPL....but that's marketing for you. The new Headrush has twice the power of the Alto. The SPL are the same, but in theory, the HR should sound better at 124DB. I have no idea how it sounds, but the specs are clearly much better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocco_Crocco 144 Posted January 24, 2018 Yes sure looks like it. How is the Alto? Is it a good speaker? /Duf I have one and its pretty good. I use it as a monitor at rehearsal and at gigs. Its been reliable and it sounds good. The Helix through the Firehawk 1500 sounds better, though. More "balls" and "thump". It is also 3x the price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DunedinDragon 833 Posted January 24, 2018 The new Headrush has twice the power of the Alto. The SPL are the same, but in theory, the HR should sound better at 124DB. I have no idea how it sounds, but the specs are clearly much better. I doubt it would do much beyond the TS212 than add just a bit more mid and low beef to the sound due to the more robust magnet on the speaker. My guess is this allowed them to add more headroom before the limiter clicked in which was kind of a notorious problem with really loud bands. But honestly, none of these speakers will do their best job once you dial them much up above 12 o'clock, so it should be useful in that range for sure for generating higher SPL at that point than the previous design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joepeggio 72 Posted January 25, 2018 Giving the fact that Line 6 didn't disclosure anything about the new firmware/hardware, they had to copy something else from someone else. ? This is not a Line 6 Product. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datacommando 392 Posted January 25, 2018 When you don't have any of your own ideas, "creatively acquire" someone else's...😉“If you steal from one person it’s theft, and if you steal from lots of people it’s researchâ€Guthrie Govan 😜 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
