dragonfet Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 While looking at @hefonthefjords' great list of all FX models in the Helix (Thread Link) , I discovered that with the introduction of the Legacy Effects in Firmware 2.50 we now have multiple duplicates: 1. Dynamics: Red Squeeze <-> Red Comp (MXR Dyna Comp) 2. Distortion: Vermin Dist <-> Classic Dist (ProCo Rat) 3. Distortion: Tycoctavia Fuzz <-> Octave Fuzz (Tycobrahe Octavia) 4. Delay: Ducked Delay <-> Dynamic (TC Electronics 2290) 5. Pitch/Synth: Twin Harmony <-> Smart Harmony (Eventide H3000) 6. Modulation: 60s Bias Trem <->> Bias Tremolo (Vox AC-15 Tremolo) 7. Modulation: Script Mod Phase <-> Script Phase (MXR Phase 90) 8. Modulation: Bubble Vibrato <-> Pitch Vibrato (Boss VB-2) 9. Modulation: Analog Flanger / AC Flanger <-> (possibly) Gray Flanger (MXR Flanger) 10. Modulation: Vibe Rotary <-> Rotary Drum (Fender Vibratone) 11. Modulation: 145 Rotary <-> Rotary Drm/Horn (Leslie 145) 12. Modulation: 70s Chorus <-> Analog Chorus (Boss CE-1) This list is possibly incomplete. I haven't updated yet because I have a gig coming up. Did anyone compare those models yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewolf48 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I asked about this in another thread. Apparently the M Series Effects were copied en-mass and it was easier to include everything than it was to leave the duplicates out. The secondary benefit is that if you are getting short of DSP the legacy versions will sound similar but use less DSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee77 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 This might help ya.. in as much these are the legacy effects that are not duplicated. http://line6.com/support/topic/31606-legacy-fx-that-are-not-already-in-helix-i-think-do-you-agree/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I asked about this in another thread. Apparently the M Series Effects were copied en-mass and it was easier to include everything than it was to leave the duplicates out. The secondary benefit is that if you are getting short of DSP the legacy versions will sound similar but use less DSP. What you say makes sense but I just saw a post that showed that that's not always going to be true. The example he gave is he was able to add an HX tube screamer in a certain patch but the legacy Tube Screamer was to big. Wouldn't let him add it instead of the HX version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfet Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 I am aware of that thread post, I was wondering about the differences in sound rather than the DSP impact though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee77 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 http://line6.com/support/topic/31905-new-legacy-fx-duplicates-and-not-in-helix-before/ (Note:doesn't scale up well in the mobile version... use desktop version on a mobile) The following Models have Duplicates as HX Versions and Legacy Distortion Helix HX Legacy Chandler Tube Driver Valve Driver Tube Drive Ibanez® TS808 Tube Screamer® Scream 808 Screamer DOD® OD-250 Top Secret OD Overdrive ProCo RAT Vermin Dist Classic Dist Arbiter® Fuzz Face® Arbitrator Fuzz Facial Fuzz Electro-Harmonix® Big Muff Pi® Triangle Fuzz Fuzz Pi Tycobrahe® Octavia Tycoctavia Fuzz Octave Fuzz Dynamics Teletronix® LA-2A® LA Studio Comp Tube Comp MXR® Dyna Comp Red Squeeze Red Comp Modulation Pan / Panner Pan/Volume category Panner Vox® AC-15 Tremolo 60s Bias Trem Bias Tremolo Fender® optical tremolo Optical Trem Opto Tremolo MXR® Phase 90 Script Mod Phase Script Phase / Phaser Shin-ei Uni-Vibe® Ubiquitous Vibe U-Vibe BOSS® VB-2 Vibrato Bubble Vibrato Pitch Vibrato BOSS® CE-1 70s Chorus Analog Chorus Dytronics® Tri-Stereo Chorus Trinity Chorus Tri Chorus MXR® 117 Flanger Gray Flanger Analog Flanger / AC Flanger A/DA Flanger Harmonic Flngr Jet Flanger / 80A Flanger Line 6 Original AM Ring Mod / Pitch Ring Ring Modulator Fender® Vibratone Vibe Rotary Rotary Drum Leslie® 145 145 Rotary Rotary Speaker Delay Line 6 Original Ping Pong Ping Pong TC Electronic® 2290 Ducked Delay Dynamic Line 6 Original Vintage Digital ? Digital Line 6 Original Reverse Delay Reverse Maestro® Echoplex EP-3 Transistor Tape Tape Echo Line 6 Original Sweep Echo Sweep Echo BOSS® DM-2 Bucket Brigade Analog Echo Electro-Harmonix® Deluxe Memory Man Elephant Man Analog w/Mod Roland® RE-201 Space Echo Cosmos Echo Multi-Head Pitch / Synth Eventide® H3000 Twin Harmony Smart Harmony Filter Musitronics® Mu-Tron® III Mutant Filter V Tron / Tron Up / Tron Down .............................................................................................................................................................. The following are Legacy effects that werent previously available as HX versions in Helix. https://line6.com/m1...elgallery02.pdf Distortion Models - 8 Heavy Dist BOSS® Metal Zone Colordrive Colorsound® Overdriver Buzz Saw Maestro® Fuzz Tone Jumbo Fuzz Vox® Tone Bender Jet Fuzz Roland® Jet Phaser L6 Drive Colorsound® Overdriver (modded) L6 Distortion Line 6 Original Sub Oct Fuzz PAiA Roctave Divider Dynamics Models - 5 Blue Comp BOSS® CS-1 Blue Comp Treb BOSS® CS-1 (Treble switch on) Vetta Comp Line 6 Original Vetta Juice Line 6 Original Boost Comp MXR® Micro Amp Modulation Models - 6-7 Pattern Trem Line 6 Original ?? Panner Line 6 Original - HX version is available in Helix Pan/Volume- ? Panned Phaser Ibanez® Flying Pan Barberpole Phaser Line 6 Original Dual Phaser Mu-Tron® Bi-Phase Dimension Roland® Dimension DFreq Shift Line 6 Original Delay Models - 6/7Stereo Line 6 Original Dig w/Mod Line 6 Original Lo Res Line 6 Original Tube Echo Maestro® Echoplex EP-1 Echo Platter Binson® EchoRec® Auto-Vol Echo Line 6 OriginalMulti-Head Roland® RE-101 Space Echo (Helix has Cosmos Echo - based on the Roland RE-201 Version, according to the HXFX manual) Pitch/Synth Models - 6 Bass Octaver EBS® OctaBass Octi Synth Line 6 OriginalSynth O Matic Line 6 Original Attack Synth Korg® X911 Guitar Synth Synth String Roland® GR700 Guitar Synth Growler Line 6 Original Filter Models - 8 Voice Box Line 6 OriginalQ Filter Line 6 OriginalSeeker Z Vex Seek Wah Obi Wah Oberheim® voltage-controlled S&H filter Throbber Electrix® Filter Factory Slow Filter Line 6 Original Spin Cycle Craig Anderton's Wah/Anti-Wah Comet Trails Line 6 Original Not all legacy FX are available in stereo - Notes taken from the HXFX manual https://line6.com/da... - English .pdf Legacy effects models vary in behavior, just as on the classic Line 6 effects fromwhere these models originated.• Legacy Distortion, Dynamics & Pitch/Synth effects are mono.• Legacy Modulation & Delay effects vary in that some are mono, some stereo,and some mono-in/stereo-out, where adjusting the effect's Mix parametercan narrow the stereo image that is fed into them. It is best to experimentwith these effects and tweak the Mix parameter to achieve the desired stereooutput results.• Legacy Filter and Reverb effects are stereo. http://line6.com/support/topic/31888-so-legacy-effects-are-always-stereo-mono/?p=244826 http://line6.com/support/page/kb/_/effects-controllers/m5-m9-m13/stereomono-fx-routing-table-r127 http://line6.com/support/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=474 ............................................................................................................................................... Some Notes On the original Reverbs and Wahs in Helix. Digital Igloo on The Gear Page June 12th 2015 At launch, all reverb models are based on HD models, but rebuilt in HX. They sound notably better in Helix tho'. Eight of the ten wahs came from HD as well. All other FX models were created from scratch in HX. https://www.thegearp...3#post-20130691 july 2nd 2015 We felt that two HX wahs weren't enough, and the eight HD wah models were fairly simple to rebuild in HX (unlike models in other categories). https://www.thegearp...6#post-20226571 April 8th 2016 The only reason we ported 8 out of 10 wahs and the reverbs from HD (everything else is built from scratch in HX) is because we simply ran out of time. Ideally, everything in Helix would've been brand new. I'm not morally opposed to porting M-Class/HD models to HX, but we'd much rather make new stuff. https://www.thegearp.../#post-21734256 The 2 HX wahs - UK and Teardrop. BenAdrian - TGP https://www.thegearp...4#post-23035076 Digital Igloo - TGP https://www.thegearp...9#post-20267812 The Reverbs and eight of the ten wahs are HD models rebuilt within the HX engine. We also rebuilt Doom, Epic, and Elektrik, but they're favorite custom hybrids that, IIRC, utilize some HX components—will have to confirm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue58ski Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Very nice list. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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