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I read on here where someone mentions trying the auto-wah. I can't for the life of me find it. Could someone point me in the right direction to the auto-wah?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

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On filters, the murant filter and auto filter, as well on legacy the tron up.

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Thanks arislaf.....I'll have a look when I get home from work. I had been specifically looking for the word "wah" so that's why I didn't look at those.  lol :)

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I don't like the auto filter much.

The Tron Up in the POD500 dind't work for me either, couldn't get anything useful from it.

 

The good news is that somehow the Tron Up in helix is wonderful. Works like charm an sounds great (to me).

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I've found it useful to turn the mix level on these down to around 60-65%, especially when used on more distorted tones.   

On cleaner tones you can get away with higher mixes.

For a nice "clavinet" tone with cleaner and compressed tones, set the mixes closer to 40%.   

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I've found it useful to turn the mix level on these down to around 60-65%, especially when used on more distorted tones.   

 

On cleaner tones you can get away with higher mixes.

 

For a nice "clavinet" tone with cleaner and compressed tones, set the mixes closer to 40%.   

 

This is actually good advice with the regular wah. I think I got this from Glen Delaunne. put the mix at about 75%. gives it a little more organic sound for lack of a better word.

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I do the same.   It's a free range wah.  

 

This is actually good advice with the regular wah. I think I got this from Glen Delaunne. put the mix at about 75%. gives it a little more organic sound for lack of a better word.

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Just to be pedantic, the effects talked about here are Envelope Filters, not Auto-Wahs.

 

Auto-Wah is something like the SeekWah or something that goes on a timing basis. Envelope Filters are things like the Q-Tron (which is what you're probably after).

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Just to be pedantic, the effects talked about here are Envelope Filters, not Auto-Wahs.

 

Auto-Wah is something like the SeekWah or something that goes on a timing basis. Envelope Filters are things like the Q-Tron (which is what you're probably after).

 

So true, they are theoretically not the same thing although there was a time where manufacturers were playing fast and loose with those names(maybe still are) and some probably produced envelope filters/'followers' that were labeled as "auto-wahs" or "touch-wahs"("touch"-wah being a better synonym for envelope filter). This was done probably to some extent depending on what name they thought would sell better or be more recognizable. As you say though, to comply with their original literal definitions, an envelope filter should vary with how the string is picked or the envelope of the source signal whereas an auto-wah should vary its timing according to something like the rate of an LFO or other often internal timing mechanism. Thanks for bringing this up 'cos I don't know if various manufacturers will ever adhere faithfully to these definitions.   :)

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So how about an envelope-controlled phaser or chorus?  Is it possible to somehow "tweak" things to add envelope control to a block model that doesn't already have it built in?

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1 hour ago, billholder said:

So how about an envelope-controlled phaser or chorus?  Is it possible to somehow "tweak" things to add envelope control to a block model that doesn't already have it built in?

 

There's an envelope flanger, I think it's the dynamix flanger.

There's no envelope controller that has an ability to operate on an arbitrary block. Wish there was though.

 

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On 10/12/2019 at 8:20 PM, duncann said:

 

There's an envelope flanger, I think it's the dynamix flanger.

There's no envelope controller that has an ability to operate on an arbitrary block. Wish there was though.

 

Yeah, the Helix modulation section seems deficient.  I expected to find a completely parameterized mod engine, with specific unit sims as default patches on top of it, like the amps.  All we get is a baked-in selection of historical mod unit sims (and not a very flexible list of examples either).  Poor form, Line 6.  Mod-heads expect better.  

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16 hours ago, billholder said:

Yeah, the Helix modulation section seems deficient.  I expected to find a completely parameterized mod engine, with specific unit sims as default patches on top of it, like the amps.  All we get is a baked-in selection of historical mod unit sims (and not a very flexible list of examples either).  Poor form, Line 6.  Mod-heads expect better.  

 

Gotta say "amen" to this (and I'll file a FR and an Ideascale submission later on). Once you've worked with Native Instruments' Guitar Rig (which I don't like much soundwise, plus, it obviously requires a computer and a decent interface to even start with), you will know what a cool playground for all kinds of experimental (and just plain useful) tweaks modulators can be.

Guitar Rig offers things like these as modulators: Input level (which is just great), LFOs, envelopes, step envelopes, etc. And you can then route these to *any* parameter you like.

So it's even possible to lower your guitar volume and blend into a patch with *more* drive, rather than the opposite.

You could as well use it to blend in, say, some modulation on lower input volumes, that way you could get from a full stop riffing sound to a cleaned up modulation sound just by turning down your guitar volume.

Or you could have an LFO controlling the volume balance between two amps for a yet unheard tremolo effect.

Or what about an input level triggered envelope that would turn a mellow quick chorus into slow bubbling madness once you pick harder?

Etc. The possibilities for sound tweakers are endless.

In addition, at least typically such modulators come at very little CPU expenses, so that should never become an issue.

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