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On 4/25/2018 at 9:38 AM, roscoe5 said:

Back to the Mashall amp nastiness...

 

While I dont use it normally, I have tried Helix with my Mesa Stiletto (Marshall clone) when I was experimenting.  It is certainly harsh with Helix, especially with my Mesa Black Shadow open back 112 cab (Celestion GT-75 modified I think).  Super bright and harsh.

 

Things that made it better...

- Helix preamp only models

- Turn the presence down on the real amp

- Using my Celstion V30 cab (darker speaker)

 

For my tastes, I found Helix more agreeable with my 6L6 based amps and V30 speakers in general.

you say that you turned down your presence on your Marshall, in order to do that you would have had to plugged into the front of the head right? These units are made to use the 4 wire setup, you use your fx send/recieve from your helix and go straight to the power amp bypassing the Marshall's pre-amp. Hope I understoop what your wrote correctly, if this is so read a vid on the 4 cable/wire setup and try your Mesa/.Marshall that way you may be pleased :-)

 

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On 5/19/2018 at 8:48 PM, leadplayer420 said:

you say that you turned down your presence on your Marshall, in order to do that you would have had to plugged into the front of the head right? These units are made to use the 4 wire setup, you use your fx send/recieve from your helix and go straight to the power amp bypassing the Marshall's pre-amp. Hope I understoop what your wrote correctly, if this is so read a vid on the 4 cable/wire setup and try your Mesa/.Marshall that way you may be pleased :-)

 

 

On the Mesa Stiletto, as well as some other tube amps I've owned, the Presence knob actually controls the power amp section.  This is helpful with Helix.

 

You do not have to go into the preamp of the real amp to test (4cm, etc.).   1/4" from Helix out to amp effects return is all that is needed.

 

I ran live this way for a time for simplicity.  The Helix pres were as nearly as good, or better in some cases than my Stiletto pres live.

 

 

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On 5/18/2018 at 8:18 AM, brue58ski said:

 

Well...my comments had nothing to do with having a different opinion on anything. The poster I was referencing was rude and made personal comments toward someone. Not an opinion on the topic at hand. That is what I addressed and why I quoted him specifically. . Not an opinion of it.  Exactly what I believe you are saying you were referring to. I, in no way, addressed the topic nor an opinion either way on it, or anything else. I thought that was obvious. So I would say that my post was no example at all of what you say you were addressing. As an example of that, it was a misguided one at best.

And again. I realize you say you weren't speaking about/to me specifically but when you quote a poster, it's my understanding that the reason for doing that is to make clear whom a poster is specifically responding/refering to. If you want to move on, move on. But as long as you keep quoting me, which I take to mean you are addressing me specifically, I will continue to respond. I mean you've quoted me in the last couple of posts. It was because you were addressing me specifically wasn't it? So you're not ignorant to the purpose of quoting someone. You quoted me first, which generally means you are talking to me specifically. You didn't say here's an example of what I'm talking about (which it wasn't an example of anyway). So I responded to someone who was talking to me. Or at least was giving all the signals that they were. I can't read peoples minds. So let's move on, shall we? Or we can continue to chat. All the same to me.

 

 

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it's my understanding that the reason for doing that is to make clear whom a poster is specifically responding/refering to.

Theres no single reason to do anything. Youve never upvoted someones post as confirmation that you saw it?

 

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The rudeness nastiness and namecalling is what I spoke to

Exactly, Reply to the topic. Poor comments are a dime a dozen. If its one post, two posts, its easy to move past.  You arent going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering.

 

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So I would say that my post was no example at all of what you say you were addressing. 

Actually, Its a perfect example...and the fact that you wont let it die underscores my point even further.

A) OPs post and topic

B) poor comment

C) You attempting to straighten out poor commenter  

D) backandforth backandforth backandforth 

E) Time to move on.

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4 hours ago, willjrock said:

 

 

1) Theres no single reason to do anything. Youve never upvoted someones post as confirmation that you saw it?

 

2) Exactly, Reply to the topic. Poor comments are a dime a dozen. If its one post, two posts, its easy to move past.  You arent going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering.

 

3) Actually, Its a perfect example...and the fact that you wont let it die underscores my point even further.

A) OPs post and topic

B) poor comment

C) You attempting to straighten out poor commenter  

D) backandforth backandforth backandforth 

E) Time to move on.

 

Ya still wanna beat this horse? OK, I'm game.

1) If there's no single reason to do anything then why are you? And actually no, I've never up or down voted anyone. I've seen those turn into revenge fests and have seen how they can and often are used as "ammo". At least they used to be around here. Not so much anymore but still it happens. So no, never voted anyone up OR down. It got to be hard to tell if the voting had any substance or not.

 

2) None of your posts directed at me had anything to do with the topic. Yet you boldy keep saying to reply to the topic. OK.....You should start doing that. And....

" You aren't going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering"

Isn't that exactly what's going on here? You have been trying to set ME straight. Still are. And you're not letting it die underscores what both you and I've been saying. Every comment you make applies directly to you and your actions as well. You've directly addressed me the whole time by quoting my posts. I'm merely responding to you.

 

3) Your own posts, underscore your point. You're the one that brought this whole discussion to life. It's up to you to let it die.

A) From the start none of your posts that quoted me have been about the OP's post and topic.

B) "Poor comment." I'm not sure what you mean by that. That my comment was poor? So far I think that about all of your posts quoting me. But those would just be our opinions. If that's not what you're saying then I'm stumped.

C) That's exactly what you're trying to do to me.

D) This particular back and forth was started by you quoting ME. You say you weren't addressing me but you did so by quoting my post!! You sound like a politician. And let's not forget. I was actually defending the original poster from some nasty comments directed at him. I was on the OP's side. What's wrong with that? You should have commented on the poster I was quoting if you truly believe what you say. You called me first. I just answered.

E)Time to move on? Then why don't you? Again, you "called" me. I just answered. And will continue to do so if you keep "calling" me. It's up to you. Not me. You want this to end? Stop "calling me". And don't "call" me and in your "call", tell me not to answer. You don't have that power and never will. This is totally up to you. So if it's time to move on then do so. Or, as I said before, we can continue to chat. And I will. I'm "hanging up" now....Click.

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I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. Eyes front, no talking...;)

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4 minutes ago, cruisinon2 said:

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. ;)

 

Please refrain from posting visual proof of the results. We'll take your word for it......

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8 minutes ago, rd2rk said:

 

Please refrain from posting visual proof of the results. We'll take your word for it......

 

It's been years since art school, but I was thinking more along the lines of a tasteful artist's rendering in charcoal, or perhaps pastels...;)

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26 minutes ago, cruisinon2 said:

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. Eyes front, no talking...;)

 

Got one. Hmmmmmmm...... Are we talking length or width?

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4 minutes ago, brue58ski said:

 

Got one. Hmmmmmmm...... Are we talking length or width?

 

Ahh yes... the Eternal Question... lol

 

If all else fails, there's always displacement volume... we just need a pint glass,  a graduated cylinder, and something to catch the overflow. ;)

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On 5/24/2018 at 10:01 AM, brue58ski said:

 

Ya still wanna beat this horse? OK, I'm game.

1) If there's no single reason to do anything then why are you? And actually no, I've never up or down voted anyone. I've seen those turn into revenge fests and have seen how they can and often are used as "ammo". At least they used to be around here. Not so much anymore but still it happens. So no, never voted anyone up OR down. It got to be hard to tell if the voting had any substance or not.

 

2) None of your posts directed at me had anything to do with the topic. Yet you boldy keep saying to reply to the topic. OK.....You should start doing that. And....

" You aren't going to set anyone straight or change the way they comment. Most often, now you have two or more people bickering"

Isn't that exactly what's going on here? You have been trying to set ME straight. Still are. And you're not letting it die underscores what both you and I've been saying. Every comment you make applies directly to you and your actions as well. You've directly addressed me the whole time by quoting my posts. I'm merely responding to you.

 

3) Your own posts, underscore your point. You're the one that brought this whole discussion to life. It's up to you to let it die.

A) From the start none of your posts that quoted me have been about the OP's post and topic.

B) "Poor comment." I'm not sure what you mean by that. That my comment was poor? So far I think that about all of your posts quoting me. But those would just be our opinions. If that's not what you're saying then I'm stumped.

C) That's exactly what you're trying to do to me.

D) This particular back and forth was started by you quoting ME. You say you weren't addressing me but you did so by quoting my post!! You sound like a politician. And let's not forget. I was actually defending the original poster from some nasty comments directed at him. I was on the OP's side. What's wrong with that? You should have commented on the poster I was quoting if you truly believe what you say. You called me first. I just answered.

E)Time to move on? Then why don't you? Again, you "called" me. I just answered. And will continue to do so if you keep "calling" me. It's up to you. Not me. You want this to end? Stop "calling me". And don't "call" me and in your "call", tell me not to answer. You don't have that power and never will. This is totally up to you. So if it's time to move on then do so. Or, as I said before, we can continue to chat. And I will. I'm "hanging up" now....Click.

Nope. told you there was no horse to beat 10 posts ago, yet you just want to continue perpetuating with the last word....but hey,  keep working on your posts for 5 days for the 3 or 4 words im actually reading from it.

 

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I'm "hanging up" now....Click.

l i bet you thought youd sound "real real cool" saying this.

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I clicked to read about frfr speakers. Lol

 

Hmmmm..... works with the kids: 

"You! Go sit in that corner! And you! Sit in the other and can-it! After 5 minutes I wanna see hugs and apologize or it's to bed without dinner!

 

Ah ah! I said sit. down. and. can-it!

 

Turn around and face the corner damnit!

 

Mom and I are making a drink and don't want to hear a peep now!"

 

 

To wife, "Why did we have kids?!"

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11 hours ago, willjrock said:

Nope. told you there was no horse to beat 10 posts ago, yet you just want to continue perpetuating with the last word....but hey,  keep working on your posts for 5 days for the 3 or 4 words im actually reading from it.

 

l i bet you thought youd sound "real real cool" saying this.

 

Well....You've sure come to a lot of conclusions about me. All of them wrong but that would be par for the course. You never said there was no horse to beat and you were the one that started this "beating". Again, YOU started this, I am merely answering your call. So if you continue to call, that would make you the perpetuator. I'm not sure what makes you think that it took me a long time to craft a post to you. As soon as I saw that you "called" me, I just quickly answered. As I'm doing now. Your posts don't require that much thought to answer. I did respond to all your points though. Perhaps that kind of thing takes you a much longer time to do than me and you just assumed I was just as inept. Nope. Didn't take long at all. And that last little comment. Is that an insult? Well gee golly Mr willj. I guess ya got me reeeal good on that one. Ouch. And actually I wasn't going for cool. Just clever. You should try it sometime. Oh, and........I'm hanging up now. "click".

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Come on you guys, give us a break! This is a thread about a subject of interest to a lot of people, and you've hijacked it and turned it into a personal pi$$ing contest. Have some respect for the rest of us!

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I've been running my helix into the return of my 5150 III to date and have been "ok" with it. No unnecessary tones are added.

 

I went shopping on the weekend for a powercab...a knowledgeable salesman instead turned me to a Bose L1 Compact. I ended up renting the unit for the next month.

 

My first stab at it and the sound was amazingly good, well dispersed, no ear piercing noise if you stand directly in front of it, lots of volume. I'm jamming with it on Friday so I will see how it fits with the other superamps and drums but I have high hopes and dont regret it so far....even though I just rented.

 

Bose L1 Compact at Sweetwater

 

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/L1Compact--bose-l1-compact-system

 

 

 

 

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Has anyone got some experience with dB Technologies Flexsys FM8s? A guy at Thomann recommended them to be (actually he recommended the 10 but he said a couple of 8s might work too)

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12 hours ago, atexx said:

Any FRFR to headset options.

 

It's that a question? And if so, what exactly are you asking? 

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You can actually get away with using your tube amp, but you have to make sure you are not using any Cab or Amp+cab blocks in the signal chain, then just connect your output into the FX loop return and use the master volume as your "power" amp.  I'm doing that right now until I can afford to get me a FRFR type speaker set up to use.  Works pretty well honestly, but if you forget to delete (or bypass) the cab block, it will sound bad.  

 

Guitar -> Helix with no cabinet modeling turned on -> FX Return of the amp = Win!

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On 5/24/2018 at 12:49 PM, cruisinon2 said:

I can settle this... both of you drop your pants, and I'll get the tape measure. Eyes front, no talking...;)

 

Guess what he does with the tape measure he hehe hehehehehe... ; )

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On 4/24/2018 at 2:50 PM, GeeTah said:

I have four different FRFR Solutions and - depending on the venue size - one of these works. BTW, all my patches are stereo which was based on my old 2 amp and pedal board rig. In all case with the Helix, I send the XLR outs to FOH and the quarter inch out to the FRFR

 

Option 1 - Large venues - Mission Gemini 2. Extremely accurate reproduction, works in stereo - large footprint and weighs 75lbs. 

What would you consider a large venue? Stage or Room size.

 

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44 minutes ago, dgtr said:

What would you consider a large venue? Stage or Room size.

 

 

Generally any stage larger than 30x20 with room capacity of 1,000 or more. Casinos are a good example. Here's an image of me and my Gemini 2 in action recently. 564165109_P8193999(2).thumb.JPG.6ba3983f5fc2c4e7c2b9c085d34c24f1.JPG

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2 hours ago, GeeTah said:

 

Generally any stage larger than 30x20 with room capacity of 1,000 or more. Casinos are a good example. Here's an image of me and my Gemini 2 in action recently. 564165109_P8193999(2).thumb.JPG.6ba3983f5fc2c4e7c2b9c085d34c24f1.JPG

 

Gemini 2 will light your @$$ up, won't it? Hehehe.  I have had the cops called on me when having a mega volume jam at the house!!!

 

Barely have to get it cooking at a typical gig!

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4 hours ago, glideman said:

 

Gemini 2 will light your @$$ up, won't it? Hehehe.  I have had the cops called on me when having a mega volume jam at the house!!!

 

Barely have to get it cooking at a typical gig!

 

True!!! 

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