medieval21 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Hello.I own a 50w Jet City Amp which has a line level effects loop (+4db).Will HX effects 4cable method work with it?I have attached a pdf with amp schematics.Thanks in advance. jet-city_jca50h_sch.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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codamedia Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I am pretty sure the line level on the HX is +4... but I only base that on using it in my home studio. FYI: The line levels (-10 & +4) are compatible with each other as long as their is an input/output levels to accommodate. The HX has all kinds of ways to accommodate input/output levels to match gear. Line/Instrument level just puts you in the right ballpark to get started. Caveat: When I think about this, you may need to use both loops in a 4CM. I think the loops (send/returns) are adjusted as a pair and you need instrument level going into your amp at the start. Example: Guitar > HX Input (instrument level) > HX SEND 1 (instrument level) > Amp Input > Amp Send > HX RETURN 2 (line level) > HX Output (line level) > Amp return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medieval21 Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 3 hours ago, codamedia said: I am pretty sure the line level on the HX is +4... but I only base that on using it in my home studio. FYI: The line levels (-10 & +4) are compatible with each other as long as their is an input/output levels to accommodate. The HX has all kinds of ways to accommodate input/output levels to match gear. Line/Instrument level just puts you in the right ballpark to get started. Caveat: When I think about this, you may need to use both loops in a 4CM. I think the loops (send/returns) are adjusted as a pair and you need instrument level going into your amp at the start. Example: Guitar > HX Input (instrument level) > HX SEND 1 (instrument level) > Amp Input > Amp Send > HX RETURN 2 (line level) > HX Output (line level) > Amp return Hmmm.If i have to use both loops how i add my preamp to the signal flow? By adding loop 1 and 2 one right after the other?will this work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, medieval21 said: Hmmm.If i have to use both loops how i add my preamp to the signal flow? By adding loop 1 and 2 one right after the other?will this work? You can put each Send and Return in as separate blocks. I would try using one FX Loop block first and mess around with the different levels and see if you can get it to work. I have a Bogner Atma, which has a line level loop, and I use the Helix with the 4CM with it with just a single FX Loop block, and it works fine. I have the Helix's loop set to instrument level. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medieval21 Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, phil_m said: You can put each Send and Return in as separate blocks. I would try using one FX Loop block first and mess around with the different levels and see if you can get it to work. I have a Bogner Atma, which has a line level loop, and I use the Helix with the 4CM with it with just a single FX Loop block, and it works fine. I have the Helix's loop set to instrument level. Oh that would be great as i don't want to use both loops to have the option to connect some extra pedals in one of them.i guess i will experiment and see what works best.Thanks for the answers guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niles_lewis Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 5/1/2018 at 2:52 PM, medieval21 said: Oh that would be great as i don't want to use both loops to have the option to connect some extra pedals in one of them.i guess i will experiment and see what works best.Thanks for the answers guys. Medieval21, were you able to get this method to work? I am getting a Soldano Hot Rod 50+ next week and looking to revamp my board around the amp. It also has a Line level loop. I am really confused at what to do even after reading through these replies. I am not much of a tech guy but I think the HX Effects can do what I need it to do. I’m just looking at using the HX Effects in the loop for all my modulation, time based, and pitch shifting needs. Any help would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallsp Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 You can use the HXFX in your amp's loop like any other pedal. Or you could go the 4cm (4 cable method) route and put pitch and drives before the amp and modulation and time based stuff in the amps effects loop. Read codamedia's earlier post in the thread. Once you wrap your head around it it's easy. Or Just google "4cm helix" and you will find plenty of videos and pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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