guitarbloke1980 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 So having read several days worth of posts about FRFR, I’ve reach the conclusion that there is no ‘BEST’ option and it all depends on your specific needs/style. With that in mind, I wonder if I could get some ideas of which FRFR solution would suit my 2 setups – in both situations I’ll be competing against a guitarist who uses a Dual Rectifier with 2x12 cab, and a very powerful drummer & bassist. Setup 1: HX Stomp into FRFR onstage and to FOH. FRFR will be placed behind me where a guitar amp/cab would usually go - Horizontally like a wedge monitor, directing the sound up towards the back of my head. A pole is not an option sadly :( Using in-ears (1 ear plugged in, and the other one is open to reduce the isolation) Full (loud) band - Playing hard rock. I want the ‘amp in the room’ feel on stage. I don’t mind not hearing it exactly as the audience hears it. Setup 2: As above but in this instance, I want the sound onstage to be exactly what the audience is hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpointmetal Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 EV ZLX 12P seems to be the current bang-for-the-buck option. I tried Alto, JBL, and new Mackies recently and the EV sounded really good and wasn't majorly expensive. You might wanna look into an ambiance mic instead of using one IEM out, too. Good way to defeat the purpose of IEMs is to have to keep turning them up to get over the stage sound. Or get some earbuds with less isolation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarbloke1980 Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, gunpointmetal said: EV ZLX 12P seems to be the current bang-for-the-buck option. I tried Alto, JBL, and new Mackies recently and the EV sounded really good and wasn't majorly expensive. You might wanna look into an ambiance mic instead of using one IEM out, too. Good way to defeat the purpose of IEMs is to have to keep turning them up to get over the stage sound. Or get some earbuds with less isolation. Thanks! I'll look into the EV ZLX :) I can get JBL at good prices as I work for Harman - is there a particular range you'd suggest? EON/PRX/VRX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpointmetal Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 All the JBLs I tried sounded off with guitar. I think the crossover is either a wider point or set higher up in the frequency spectrum so the highs felt "separate" from the rest of the guitar tone. the ZLX in "Monitor" setting sounded like I wanted to hear. Best bet is to try a few and see what clicks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarbloke1980 Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, gunpointmetal said: All the JBLs I tried sounded off with guitar. I think the crossover is either a wider point or set higher up in the frequency spectrum so the highs felt "separate" from the rest of the guitar tone. the ZLX in "Monitor" setting sounded like I wanted to hear. Best bet is to try a few and see what clicks. Thanks man - any advantage/disadvantage to going for a 15"? I'm not sure it's necessary, but then again, as it's only a single speaker, I wonder if it'll carry the bottom end a bit better with a 15".? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpointmetal Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 There's nothing "extra" in a 15 that you need for guitar, in fact you'd probably be scooping out anything that it puts out over a 12 anyways, and that's coming someone playing very low-tuned ERGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 45 minutes ago, guitarbloke1980 said: Thanks man - any advantage/disadvantage to going for a 15"? I'm not sure it's necessary, but then again, as it's only a single speaker, I wonder if it'll carry the bottom end a bit better with a 15".? Trust me...at significant volume, you are going to find the need to use a low cut filter, even if you go with a 10" speaker. You're worrying way too much about about the low end. In a live setting, mids are your concern if you want to avoid disappearing fron the mix entirely. The extra low end that you might be tempted to dial in when playing unaccompanied at home at low volume, or during a test drive at a music store is NOT your friend in a live situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungho Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 For me, a 10" speaker worked best. When I was test driving the QSC K10.2 's, the 10" sounded way tighter than the 12". Also, I just wanted to emphasize that what Crusin said about the lows and the mids is spot on. One thing I've learned is, don't rely on the sound guy to fix your problems. Some sound guys are really good at EQ, while others are not. I encourage you to checkout some isolated guitar tracks on YouTube. You'll be amazed at how thin the guitars sound when they are isolated from the full mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunedinDragon Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I can't imagine anything overpowering a QSC K12.2 or a Yamaha DXR12. If so you need to remind your bandmates that there's this modern times answer to volume....it's called a PA, and it does it way better than any amps or drums you might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjbassoon Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Thump12A--mackie-thump12a-1300w-12-inch-powered-speaker I have two of these. Mostly play bass through them and I get plenty of lows and quite a lot of power. Even if I only take one out of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waymda Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Tried a few things and the powercab plus is what I've stuck with. Can do either of the scenarios you mention, but I run full range with the 'micd amp sound' behind me on an angle and in ears for the stereo version - or sometimes just one in to supplemnt the guit levels for me + vocal foldback send. The smaller places we play I rely on just the PowerCab, larger I go to the desk direct from the Helix. When I get the money and around to it - it'll be 2 powercab +s, unless a stereo verion that looks twinish is released :-) Edited March 2, 2019 by waymda added second PC+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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