slaughlin1103 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Hello All, On my Helix I have a patch the has a simple pitch set for Eb. When I select from a standard tunning all work well except B and high E. They are not tracking properly, is there anything I can try? I am playing an Anderson and will list the settings below. Pitch is placed first in line. Settings... Interval -1....Cents 0.00....Delay 0.0ms....Shift Level 10.0...Mix 100%.....Level 0.0db Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_hotch Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Perhaps a compressor before the pitch effect, to keep the signal more steady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaughlin1103 Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 I tried the compressor before the pitch block and it still sounds like an out of tune 12 string? I have the pitch block in the beginning of the chain. Might have to try some shifting around. Thanks for your responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 12 hours ago, slaughlin1103 said: I tried the compressor before the pitch block and it still sounds like an out of tune 12 string? I have the pitch block in the beginning of the chain. Might have to try some shifting around. Thanks for your responses. Depending on exactly what/ how you're playing, it's very likely that your problem is due to the fact that it's not a polyphonic pitch shifter. It's not intended to drop-tune the entire guitar. It might work passably under certain circumstances, but artifacts and tracking issues are inevitable if you're playing more than one note at a time. If you really need polyphonic shifting that's clean and reliable, with minimal latency, the Digitech Drop is still the best option out there. Something similar might come to Helix eventually, but if/when is anybody's guess. And imho, any pitch shifting effect (polyphonic or not) needs to be the first thing in the chain. If you try and feed a pitch shifter a signal that's already heavily altered, particularly with distortion or any other modulation FX, they tend not to track nearly as well. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaughlin1103 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 That is very interesting and new to me. I am still learning so really appreciate the information. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester700 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 9:07 AM, cruisinon2 said: And imho, any pitch shifting effect (polyphonic or not) needs to be the first thing in the chain. If you try and feed a pitch shifter a signal that's already heavily altered, particularly with distortion or any other modulation FX, they tend not to track nearly as well. It does depend on the sound you're after. For drop tuning, or octaves, I agree. For "twin guitar" parallel thirds using distortion, although you're right that it tracks better if the harmonizer is first in the chain, I think it sounds better if it's post distortion. The IM distortion you get when adding the new voices wrecks the "sweetness" of that sound to my ear. And yeah, my DT Whammy (latest version) drops better than the Helix, It has the same algorithm as the DT Drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guenni68 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 While my Helix Native 2 weeks demo experience I have found out the following points regarding pitch shifting: 1. For just detuning the guitar (i.e Eb) the best choice is the whammy => best result before amp / distortion. 2. For harmonizer stuff the block works better after the amp / distortion. I hope this can help. Cheers, Guenter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester700 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 The Digitech harmony man (one of the best "intelligent harmonizer" FX ever) has a split input so that you can use one feed for tracking (just clean with maybe a compressor as mentioned earlier) and a second feed for the effected actual signal, which could be post-fuzzbox. I'd think that Helix could allow this kind of routing if it were desired, and it would be the best of all worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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