CorporateSlut Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Hi guys, This may be complete n00b, so apologies. I have Helix LT - and I love it. I sold my JCM 2000 and am now running pure digital - and it sounds great. As point of departure. As I'm running the Helix directly through the PA, I find that I'm very much sitting in the same space as our vocals. When recording in my DAW, I solve this partly by panning several guitar tracks either far right or far left - to create a Phil Specter-ish wall of sound. What I'm looking for is exactly the same live - running two output tracks that I pan hard left and right. I thought this should be possible with each cab (I'm running a dual cab setup) - but I can't seem to get it to work. My setup is this: Guitar --> Noise gate --> Overdrive --> Amp --> Split --> Cab A / Cab B --> Join --> Modulation effect --> Output --> XLR --> one channel on my PA I've tried panning left and right in the 'join', but it doesn't seem to give me what I want. That all of Cab A is to the left, and all of Cab B is to the right. I'm running an XLR cable directly into the PA - should I do stereo? And if yes - how to I tell my Helix that the left stereo is Cab A and the right stereo is Cab B? I don't know what I'm doing wrong - hope you have some tips. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 A single XLR connection is going to just give you a single mono output. If you're just using the left XLR out, the stereo signal from the Helix will be summed to mono, and you'll lose any stereo separation. If you want to run a stereo signal into the board, you'll need to run two XLR cables - left and right - and have to channels on the mixer, panned accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verne-Bunsen Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Also, given that you have a modulation effect after the join, the modulation effect must be stereo to preserve your stereo path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 21 hours ago, CorporateSlut said: What I'm looking for is exactly the same live - running two output tracks that I pan hard left and right. I thought this should be possible with each cab (I'm running a dual cab setup) - but I can't seem to get it to work. My setup is this: Guitar --> Noise gate --> Overdrive --> Amp --> Split --> Cab A / Cab B --> Join --> Modulation effect --> Output --> XLR --> one channel on my PA Take a look at the two "bolded" sections above... I don't know if you intended to or left something out but you are contradicting yourself, the upper statement is correct. Make sure that everything after the "join" is a stereo effect as "Verne-Bunsen" says above. If it isn't, it will sum back to mono. Pan the output block hard left/right Run two XLR cables (L/R) to two separate channels on the PA as "Phil_m" says above. Hard pan those channels Left/Right on the PA NOTE: A assumption is made on my part that you have a PA setup to run in stereo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorporateSlut Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 Ok - makes perfect sense. So first my modulation effects were ruining my stereo - after that, the fact that I wasn't using two XLR-cables. I'll have to test it and will revert back if it doesn't work. Thanks so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavyville Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 On 5/12/2019 at 2:41 PM, CorporateSlut said: Hi guys, This may be complete n00b, so apologies. I have Helix LT - and I love it. I sold my JCM 2000 and am now running pure digital - and it sounds great. As point of departure. As I'm running the Helix directly through the PA, I find that I'm very much sitting in the same space as our vocals. When recording in my DAW, I solve this partly by panning several guitar tracks either far right or far left - to create a Phil Specter-ish wall of sound. What I'm looking for is exactly the same live - running two output tracks that I pan hard left and right. I thought this should be possible with each cab (I'm running a dual cab setup) - but I can't seem to get it to work. My setup is this: Guitar --> Noise gate --> Overdrive --> Amp --> Split --> Cab A / Cab B --> Join --> Modulation effect --> Output --> XLR --> one channel on my PA I've tried panning left and right in the 'join', but it doesn't seem to give me what I want. That all of Cab A is to the left, and all of Cab B is to the right. I'm running an XLR cable directly into the PA - should I do stereo? And if yes - how to I tell my Helix that the left stereo is Cab A and the right stereo is Cab B? I don't know what I'm doing wrong - hope you have some tips. Thanks are you more concerned with the panning of the guitars or the masking of frequencies between the guitars and vocals? panning isn't going to relieve you of that symptom imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsdenj Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Also set the join to put Cab A 100% L and Cab B 100% right going into the stereo modulation effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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