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Ok, I have some clearing in my extra funds account and am looking to add to my Helix rig potentially, but I'll have to do it in pieces.  Right now I have the Helix and bring it to my gigs/practices in the Helix backpack.  I love it.  

 

BUT....I'm needing to replace my Sennheiser wireless, and would like to do a 'pedal' version wireless I believe and that makes me want to look into a pedal board to mount everything to and have an all in one carrying setup.  

 

Wants:

1) large enough size to allow an external pedal if I decide I need or want to add one back on the right side.  Also allow enough space at the top for potentially adding an external pedal or 2 (thinking possibly a talkbox style pedal, Mimic, Freqout, Digitech Drop).

2) being I'd be getting away from my rack wireless, which also has a power strip in it. I'd need a power source hub of some sort.  I've never been a pedalboard guy so not sure what options are there that would allow me to expand in the future with the pedals I mentioned.  I also power my powered wedge as a monitor at our shows.  

 

 

So what you using that may fit some needs or get me close and maybe I compromise on some things....Thanks!

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Hey there,

 

I have a pedalboard alongside my Helix LT. I thought I ‘d use it for my “best” analog pedals + wireless receiver. What is on it: ABY switch (for 2 guitars), digitech drop, clyde wah deluxe, ernie ball vp jr. Then suhr koko boost and mad professor forest green comp connected to one of the helix fx loops, and finally the receiver for line6 g50. Power supply for all of this comes from a power brick mounted under the pedalboard (a pedaltrain jr, iirc). 
 

The bad: the whole setup is about 1 meter wide. But I wanted a pedalboard that I could mount the power supply underneath, which rules out flat ones. 
 

The good: I have all I need neatly mounted,     and a single power supply for everything. 

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21 hours ago, emagli said:

Hey there,

 

I have a pedalboard alongside my Helix LT. I thought I ‘d use it for my “best” analog pedals + wireless receiver. What is on it: ABY switch (for 2 guitars), digitech drop, clyde wah deluxe, ernie ball vp jr. Then suhr koko boost and mad professor forest green comp connected to one of the helix fx loops, and finally the receiver for line6 g50. Power supply for all of this comes from a power brick mounted under the pedalboard (a pedaltrain jr, iirc). 
 

The bad: the whole setup is about 1 meter wide. But I wanted a pedalboard that I could mount the power supply underneath, which rules out flat ones. 
 

The good: I have all I need neatly mounted,     and a single power supply for everything. 

Yeah that sounds like more than I need, but I'd like to have something all in one including the helix, which would make the footprint much larger.  

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16 hours ago, themetallikid said:

Yeah that sounds like more than I need, but I'd like to have something all in one including the helix, which would make the footprint much larger.  

 

I perfectly understand that. I also contemplated a single pedalboard as you mentioned, but then I thought it'd be very bulky and deep (and possibly hard to get into the pedalboard case). Plus, I thought I did not need one single pedalboard but could have 2 pieces, and that would give me more flexibility.

 

For me the most important thing was to have neat wiring including power supply, in order to avoid using batteries and multiple small 9 V power adapters. This dictated that I choose a raised pedalboard. So my suggestion is to first think how you'd like to supply power to your pedals. Pedaltrain has boards in many different sizes, but there are many other brands too.

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I've mounted my Helix on a Thomann pedalboard together with a few other gadgets, see the attached pics - sorry for the dirt and the loose cables, need to clean up. Had the pedalboard home for maintainance (I needed to cut a few calbe ties to get the Helix off the board as I had to lubricate the expression pedal), usually it sits in our rehearsal space where the pedalboard tends to get a bit dusty.

 

The board is the Harley Benton Spaceship 80, which is a tilted metal frame with velcro covering. The board area is 800 mm by 390 mm,  sturdy contruction, the bar spacing is variable, it comes with a soft carrying case and is really affordable. With everything on it it is pretty heavy (my scales say 16,5 kg), but managable.

 

As you can see, to the right I have the Mission Engineering SP1-L6H, which is the version for the Helix Rack, i.e. the one with the toe switch. The pedal is connected to exp 2 (pedal) and 3 (toe switch). I had to modify the pedal's toe switch circuit, I don't really remember too clearly - I think the toe switch switches between closed contacts and a 47k resistor. Next to the ME pedal is my old trusty wah, which I didn't want to give up, as I built and tweaked it myself and it sounds great.

 

I use all four FX loops on the Helix, the first of course for the 4CM. The white pedal at the top is a small linear boost that allows me programming-independant on-the-fly volume correction for different guitars - I needed this before the snapshot bypass feature introduced in 2.8. But also I don't have to waste a Helix footswitch for that feature.

 

The grey pedal is a Foxx Tone Machine clone that I prefer to the one offered by Helix. Lastly I use the Mini Vent II for rotary sounds as the Helix rotary sucks through a guitar amp.

 

On the underside of the board I have mounted a Palmer power supply that powers the pedals. It's a bit overkill concerning the power and connectors, but the footprint fit well under the board. Below the palmer is a Rockboard MOD 2, which is a small interface box designed for the rockboard boards. The MOD 2 passes four symmetrical 1/4", MIDI in/out, USB and power to the board. The four 1/4" are the three connections the the amp's in/send/return plus the channel switching. The MIDI out is used alternatively to the EXT AMP on one of my heads. I have a cable snake with four 1/4"-cables, one midi and an IEC cable in a mesh sleeve.

 

The blue box in the center is a Palmer PLI-05 dual isolation transformer needed for the 4CM-connection. At the top right of the picture you can see a small power strip diverting the incoming 230V to the Palmer PSU's power adapter and the Helix.

 

Hope you can get some inspiration from my board. Even with some DIY it wasn't the cheapest solution (PSU, Mini Vent II and the ISO in particular),  but especially the HB Spaceship is very good value for the money and a good fit for the Helix plus some extras.

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On 2/1/2020 at 8:46 AM, themetallikid said:

Right now I have the Helix and bring it to my gigs/practices in the Helix backpack.  I love it.  

 

That's been my approach for the past year.... it's worked fine but for some reason I decided it was time for a change :) 

 

This is the setup I have recently gone to.... it's a 29.5" x 15.5" board... enough for the Helix, an external expression, then two additional pedals stacked upper/lower. If you need a lot of extra pedals, and/or a power brick or similar it might not be the best choice for you, but I like it's versatility. 

 

 

There are many variants of this board out there... they seem to change regularly so I don't know what is available now. 

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Yeah I just went through and spec'd out what I'd need D x W x H wise and not finding a lot of options initially.  I came up with 31"w x 19"d x 5"h (leaves about 1.5" of clearance.  

 

Looked just briefly on my phone and I'll definitely have to look into some options and see.  

 

Being that I've never run an actual pedal board.  I assume that I could install a power strip (if nothing is provided built into the board) to plug the 3 pedals into underneath?  and also allow the helix and my powered wedge to run off of?

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Although you can use pedals quite happily with the Helix, the whole idea of it for me that it is an all in one solution, and it's heavy enough for me without adding any extra weight, so just Helix floor and G10 relay ,which for me has been the best wireless i've ever used , it just works without any fuss and hassle.

I A-B'd some of my pedals with the Helix ,and the difference was negligible.

 

What you want is sometimes not necessarily what you need ;-)

 

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1 hour ago, antonio1961 said:

Although you can use pedals quite happily with the Helix, the whole idea of it for me that it is an all in one solution, and it's heavy enough for me without adding any extra weight, so just Helix floor and G10 relay ,which for me has been the best wireless i've ever used , it just works without any fuss and hassle.

I A-B'd some of my pedals with the Helix ,and the difference was negligible.

 

What you want is sometimes not necessarily what you need ;-)

 

while I generally agree with you, my helix is an all in one when it comes to amp tones there are some things it does not do, that would make my life easier (hauling stuff and potentially just make me enjoy the Helix tones even more.

 

Digitech Drop - I could get a variax, sure...but that will cost more than the total of the pedals and such I'm looking at, also will cause additional tweaking time/headaches.  All I would really use it for is to simplify shifting down 1/2 step, maybe down a whole step.  In a live band context any artifacts will be lost on most of my crowds anyway, and any tone altering can be adjusted for.  Also, this would allow me to play one guitar all night, except for breaking a string which I can switch to my backup no issues.  This makes my tone creation much simpler as I'm not having to craft presets for different guitar/pickups when I prefer consistency.  Also a variax would not solve my next issue of it being tuned to E but outputting an Eb/D tuning structure will not lead to feedback when I want it.....which leads to...

 

Freqout  Pedal - This can at least help create the illusion of feedback on those nice long drawn out bends or moments.  My band runs direct mostly, so to get my wedge to the point where I can get the feedback I need in spots is hard cause my wedge is blaringly loud compared to other onstage noise.  its a simpler, sound efficient solution that again, most my crowd wont even know the difference.  

 

Talkbox pedal - Plan and simple, Helix doesn't have one, and most of the 'automated' I've tried just don't do the effect justice.  Also, the visual curiousity people have when they see the tube and hear the sound is worth its novelty effect when applied correctly and we play a few songs that feature that sound....or ones that don't and its used creatively.  

 

Wireless - I've been looking at the G10 as well, but if I get a pedalboard setup, I'll still need to keep my rack for the power strip aspect more than likely, so I'll probably stick with a rack mounted wireless.  This point is debatable for me and may change my approach when searching for power solutions.  

 

Guitars - adding these pedals would lighten one guitar from my load times and again allow for more consistency.  I'll be able to turn the Drop's loop on/off as needed for songs in those keys, same with the FreqOut, I can have it off on the snapshots that I don't need it and incorporate it when I need it.  Talkbox just the same.  Leave the talkbox on and incorporate it in one of the loops to allow the Helix Amp sound through the box.  

 

I appreciate the concept, but I've done my homework.  

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I use tronical tuners on my spare , it solves any tuning variations that may arise, and it is authentic , you can just tune to whatever tuning you like at the press of a button.

If you're clever about it, your set can be geared towards very little change-over time between guitars, great investment imo, and can open up a whole other load of options for you too.

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Specs:

  • Board: Gator GPB-LAK-1
  • Power: Strymon Ojai
  • Chain: Korg Pitchblack Mini -> Line6 HX Stomp -> Source Audio Collider (in stereo in the FX loop of the Stomp).
  • Expression pedal: Dunlop DVP4. Plugged into the HX Stomp and controls different things for different presets (volume, delay levels, wah pedal, modulation speed, etc).
  • Tap switch: MXR Tap switch (bottom left) controls the HX Stomp footswitch modes - I jump between preset mode and stomp mode.
  • Dual aux switch: Scrolls up and down through presets on the Collider.

I'm a reverb and delay junkie, so I really want to keep those effects in a separate pedal. This means I can use any of my reverb and delay presets with any of my Stomp presets, which is really flexible.

Most of my Stomp presets also have a delay block, either assigned to a footswitch or the expression pedal, allowing me to have these massive double delays. The Adriatic delay is definitely my favourite of the Helix delays.

 

Definitely my smallest and most powerful board so far.

 

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36 minutes ago, Naigewron said:

Specs:

  • Board: Gator GPB-LAK-1
  • Power: Strymon Ojai
  • Chain: Korg Pitchblack Mini -> Line6 HX Stomp -> Source Audio Collider (in stereo in the FX loop of the Stomp).
  • Expression pedal: Dunlop DVP4. Plugged into the HX Stomp and controls different things for different presets (volume, delay levels, wah pedal, modulation speed, etc).
  • Tap switch: MXR Tap switch (bottom left) controls the HX Stomp footswitch modes - I jump between preset mode and stomp mode.
  • Dual aux switch: Scrolls up and down through presets on the Collider.

I'm a reverb and delay junkie, so I really want to keep those effects in a separate pedal. This means I can use any of my reverb and delay presets with any of my Stomp presets, which is really flexible.

Most of my Stomp presets also have a delay block, either assigned to a footswitch or the expression pedal, allowing me to have these massive double delays. The Adriatic delay is definitely my favourite of the Helix delays.

 

Definitely my smallest and most powerful board so far.

 

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That's a nice compact setup, not feasible for my situation, but I can see why it works for you

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I ended up going the other way. I had my Helix mounted on a Pedaltrain Pro board along with a few other pedals, but it just got to be a big and heavy board. So I decided to get a Helix Rack and go with this setup.

 

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Yeah if I'd had known i'd be adding these after, that may have made sense.  I could maybe look into a sell/buy scenario and go that route....I'd have to look into it though.  not sure I wanna go through that hassle.

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So a newb question...being that I've never been a pedal/board setup kinda guy.  Will something like a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 power the 3 pedals I'm adding (Digitech Drop, Digitech Freqout, MXR Talkbox)?  I know I'll need separate power for the Helix and probably the wireless unit correct?

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You will probably need a Pedal Power digital or a Cioks DC7.  Each of those pedals takes a fairly high draw of current.  I know the Drop is 300 mA.  The normal Pedal Powers usually have 100 mA per output.  Check the draw of each pedal.  The digital PP only has 4 outputs.  The Cioks has 7 outputs and each one is 600 mA plus you can change between 18V, 12V, and 9V for each output.

 

MXR talk box is 18V. The power draw is unknown but it comes with a 1000 mA supply. I did quite a search but 240couldn't find the information.

Digitech Frequout draws about 240 mA at 9V.

Digitech Drop is 300 mA at 9V

 

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Ok, that helps, sorry i'm pedalboard dumb. lol.   Always used rack stuff or multieffects only.  

 

I'll look into those options the Cioks sounds like it'd be the best fit, but I'll check it out.  Thank you

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Ok, that Cioks 7 looks pretty badass for the price/size/power options.  If I reading/understanding correctly the only one I think I'll have an issue with is the talkbox having such a high mA requirement.  

 

I think my best bet board wise is to go with Trailer Trash, and that way I can get the power options routed on the side of the board as needed....

 

Monitor wedge - Plugged into female power plug on side of board

Digitech Drop/Freqout, L6 G50 Wireless (9v, 500mA) connected to Cioks 7 connected to male power plug on side of board

MXR Talkbox, Helix  - separate power run connected to side male power plug on side of board

 

Board would then be powered from an extension cable on my left side.  Am I on the right thinking with this?

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I have this in front of my chair, mixer and Mac and can control it while recording tracks- Love my Helix and Kemper!Helix-KPA.thumb.jpg.f33546f8917a7557f1bf85b2df7bfe9d.jpg

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Nice....I ordered all the pedals yesterday they arrived where I had them sent today.  I just need to set them up on a template to find out what size I really need for a pedalboard.  I'm still leaning towards the TrailerTrash Pro Series.

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