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Tone: recorded playback vs 'Live'

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Anyone else notice a significant difference between the following:

 

- Recorded Helix playback - ie guitar track recorded by helix, into software and then played back

- And live playing ie just playing into helix (not recording), sound coming out of speaker

 

Both of the above use the same amplification (powercab set to FRFR)

 

I noticed scenario one sounds much better! 

 

Sidenote: when i use my variax I always prefer the recorded playback to the sound I get when playing live. 

 

Anyone else experienced anything similar. It is frustrating as the tone I want is provided via the recorded playback - not so keen the live sound i'm getting.

 

If any of the above makes sense i'd appreciate some help.

Thanks, 

Dave

 

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Could it be that when listening to the recording you’re just not hearing the Variax acoustically and that’s making the difference? Try using in-ears as you record (even a cheap set) and see if you still get the same results.  The in-ears will likely sound different from your monitors so you just have to ignore that and only listen to the difference between the two sounds - track and listening to the playback. 

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If you're using the same setup to record as you're using to play live, there should be no difference. Are you recording via the Helix's USB output?

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could be that, re the variax - will try . 

 

That said - recorded play back sounds better on the helix with or without variax - compared to non recorded playing, coming straight out the speaker - maybe it is just me! - subjective and all 

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Anyone know why i'm having this problem, there is def a big difference to my ears. I really like using the helix/variax or just helix for recording - but for live i've never been impressed. Frustrating as the recording tone is fantastic 

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You’re also not having to deal with the weird feel of the Variax. It responds quite differently than normal guitars, to me. 

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49 minutes ago, davidderekmoss said:

@phil_m yes recording into quick time via helix USB - play back sounds much nicer, than "live" Hmm...not sure what is going on. 

 

 

 

I don’t know a lot about QuickTime, but it could be that it’s applying some sort of effect on the recorded audio when you play it back. QT is a video editor, not really a DAW, isn’t it?

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6 minutes ago, phil_m said:

 

I don’t know a lot about QuickTime, but it could be that it’s applying some sort of effect on the recorded audio when you play it back. QT is a video editor, not really a DAW, isn’t it?

Nah. It records in as high a fidelity as it can muster as far as I know. If anything it might even degrade the audio quality as I don’t think it records in an uncompressed format even though it can play those formats.  It’s not much of a video editor either. Pretty basic trimming utilities. 

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7 minutes ago, phil_m said:

 

I don’t know a lot about QuickTime, but it could be that it’s applying some sort of effect on the recorded audio when you play it back. QT is a video editor, not really a DAW, isn’t it?

 

may be that is it. I'm sure the same happened with logic though, although can't be 100% sure. It must be something to do with the settings on Helix or Powercab - perhaps on play back it is applying some gadget i'm not aware of ....or it could be that i'm hearing the acoustics of the guitar when playing live. 

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44 minutes ago, phil_m said:

 

I don’t know a lot about QuickTime, but it could be that it’s applying some sort of effect on the recorded audio when you play it back. QT is a video editor, not really a DAW, isn’t it?


QT audio files are saved as M4A which is a compressed lossless format. As you noted - it not a DAW and definitely not suited to doing what the OP is doing with it.
 

41 minutes ago, davidderekmoss said:

 

... or it could be that i'm hearing the acoustics of the guitar when playing live. 


or more likely, it could be “psycho-acoustic”.

 

 

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just tried with Logic - def a difference to my ears, but not as notable as with quick time. Sounds awesome coming out of logic dry. Sounds decent live, but not the same. Can anyone else hear the difference between recorded and live? or am i going nuts! 

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