mc0397mc Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Has anyone ever encountered this before? Hardware specs below When played through monitors the patch I have created sounds full, all the reverb and delay sounds precisely what I'm going after, everything is exactly as it should sound. Open Cubase to record, I usually dual track or quad track with different panning settings but I only record monitor through a track I set up for monitoring in stereo. When I send to cubase through USB 1/2 it sounds dead. Reverb is gone, missing a delay block from what I can hear, eq is tinny. I don't usually use Native but thought I'd give it a shot, I imported the patch to Native (really inconvenient way they have that set up, why wouldn't HX Edit and Native have the same presets ?) and it sounds actually worse. TL;DR Helix floor patch sounds empty through a DAW, perfectly fine through monitors Hardware specs: 2017 iMac 1tb SATA Drive 16gb RAM Helix Floor Yamaha hs80 monitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Sounds like you have something set up incorrectly. I most often record a wet and dry track simultaneously into Reaper so I can run the dry track through Native. Using the same preset, Native sounds exactly the same as my recorded wet track. Are you using multiple paths in your preset? Could it be that something funky is going on in multiple output blocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc0397mc Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, phil_m said: Sounds like you have something set up incorrectly. I most often record a wet and dry track simultaneously into Reaper so I can run the dry track through Native. Using the same preset, Native sounds exactly the same as my recorded wet track. Are you using multiple paths in your preset? Could it be that something funky is going on in multiple output blocks? Thanks Phil, I think so too but I can't narrow it down. I have attached 3 screen shots below: #1 - Line 1 #2 - Line 2 #3 - Line 3 If you want more images like routing in my DAW or anything else let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, mc0397mc said: Thanks Phil, I think so too but I can't narrow it down. I have attached 3 screen shots below: #1 - Line 1 #2 - Line 2 #3 - Line 3 If you want more images like routing in my DAW or anything else let me know So in all these screenshots, you have all the paths' output blocks set to the 1/4" outs. Nothing would be being sent to USB 1/2. Are you saying you're changing them to USB 1/2 when recording? It also seems strange to me that you have the cab block in Path 1A feeding into another cab block on Path 1B, but that might be beside the point. So what exactly are you doing when you record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc0397mc Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 minute ago, phil_m said: So in all these screenshots, you have all the paths' output blocks set to the 1/4" outs. Nothing would be being sent to USB 1/2. Are you saying you're changing them to USB 1/2 when recording? It also seems strange to me that you have the cab block in Path 1A feeding into another cab block on Path 1B, but that might be beside the point. So what exactly are you doing when you record? When I go to record I set the all outputs to USB 1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, mc0397mc said: When I go to record I set the all outputs to USB 1/2. So in your first post, you mentioned setting up a track to monitor in stereo. Does that mean you're monitoring through Cubase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty42 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Are your monitors plugged into Helix, or your Mac? If it's the Mac, that's problem #1. Monitors need to be plugged into Helix, even if you're recording via USB. The Helix becomes your sound card. Second thing I see -- your patches have an amp and cab running into another cab in some cases. You also have a path with an IR running into another IR. That isn't necessarily a problem, but it's definitely unconventional and is likely to yield weird/thin tones (maybe you wanted that, though). Tinny tones are often the result of phase cancellation, so make sure you haven't inadvertently flipped the phase of any of your paths where they merge, too. That kind of thing will sound fine through headphones, but as soon as you listen through monitors (or merge the signal to mono), it'll sound awful. If you post your presets and IRs here, we can take a closer look and see if the issue is with your DAW or your presets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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