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Change EXP1 behavior by Snapshot?


mkdaws32
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Hi all,

 

I've been wracking my brain over this one.  I almost have my entire rig set yup the way I need it.  I'm just wondering if there is any way to have one EXP functions assigned by SNAPSHOT - here's what I mean:

 

SNAPSHOT1: EXP1 adjusts multiple parameters in multiple blocks - Delay Mix.  Reverb Mix, Reverb Decay

SNAPSHOT2: EXP1 adjusts overall volume on a volume block and DOES NOT affect the parameters assigned in SNAPSHOT1

 

Is this possible?  Alternatively, I'm open to using a stomp switch to "toggle" the parameters  that the EXP controls, regardless of which SNAPSHOT is selected, but this scenario seems more complex and more unlikely to be supported.

 

Any help appreciated.   Thanks!

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If you go to Global Settings>EXP Pedals>EXP1 Position and set it to Per Snapshot, it should work like you’re wanting. Going back to the original snapshot will set the parameters tied to the pedal back to their saved state. The question is whether you want them to be recalled in the state they were last in when you left the snapshot or when you saved the preset. If you want to go back to their original saved value go to Global Settings>Preferences>Snapshot Edits and set it to Discard.

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@phil_m

 

Thank you!  I will try that.  I am familiar with the Snapshots Edit global prefs and definitely want the "Retain" value.  It doesn't matter too much for the EXP, but I need "Retain" for other settings by snapshot. 

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1 hour ago, phil_m said:

If you go to Global Settings>EXP Pedals>EXP1 Position and set it to Per Snapshot, it should work like you’re wanting. Going back to the original snapshot will set the parameters tied to the pedal back to their saved state.

 

The OP wants to control one set of parameters with the EXP in snapshot one, then a different set of parameters in snapshot two. I've been wanting this myself but have never found a way to do it. I find that once a parameter is assigned to the EXP, it is controlled by that EXP for the entire preset. 

 

Unless I am missing something, your solution sets a starting point for the EXP.... but it doesn't change what parameters the EXP will control. 

 

1 hour ago, mkdaws32 said:

SNAPSHOT1: EXP1 adjusts multiple parameters in multiple blocks - Delay Mix.  Reverb Mix, Reverb Decay

SNAPSHOT2: EXP1 adjusts overall volume on a volume block and DOES NOT affect the parameters assigned in SNAPSHOT1

 

As I mention above, I have not found a way to do this... 

 

With the LT I run multiple redundant blocks  to work around this.... and use snapshots to engage/disengage blocks that are controlled by the EXP. 

EXAMPLE: I might have a delay with a fixed mix value and a delay with an EXP controlled mix value - the snapshot dictates which one or those gets turned on. Of course.... this option is not practical with a STOMP or HX Effects due to the limited number of blocks available. 

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@phil_m

 

Unless I'm missing something, it cant do exactly what I'm looking for. It can set an EXP1 initial snapshot position, but the pedal still affects all parameters and ranges in the same way in each snapshot, even when I set them differently in each snapshot and have EXP1 position set to "per snapshot".  

 

Looks like I'm going to have to make room for a second expression pedal :(

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7 minutes ago, codamedia said:

 

 

The OP wants to control one set of parameters with the EXP in snapshot one, then a different set of parameters in snapshot two. I've been wanting this myself but have never found a way to do it. I find that once a parameter is assigned to the EXP, it is controlled by that EXP for the entire preset. 

 

Unless I am missing something, your solution sets a starting point for the EXP.... but it doesn't change what parameters the EXP will control. 

 

Exactly.  It would even work if I could set the min/max ranges for each parameter by snapshot - basically setting min and max to the same values for parameters each snapshot should not adjust.  But that doesn't look possible either.  C'mon. Line6!  Boss has been able to do this since my very ancient GT-3!

 

Edit: Oops - to be fair, that was per preset on the GT-3, snapshots or scenes did not exist.  My bad!

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10 minutes ago, mkdaws32 said:

@phil_m

 

Unless I'm missing something, it cant do exactly what I'm looking for. It can set an EXP1 initial snapshot position, but the pedal still affects all parameters and ranges in the same way in each snapshot, even when I set them differently in each snapshot and have EXP1 position set to "per snapshot".  

 

Looks like I'm going to have to make room for a second expression pedal :(


I was assuming that you would have the block bypassed in the snapshot where you didn’t want to control its parameters. If you’re not doing that, then it’s not going to work. That’s the only way you can “fake” it.


Other than that, all control assignments are preset wide.

 

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No - one of the blocks in question is bypassed, but the other will be on in every snapshot, with just the ability to adjust the parameters with EXP1 in a single snapshot.  So it would work in one direction, but not the other.  If I had one more block, I could do it this way, but as it stands, I've optimized everything as much as I possibly can.  Instead of getting a second expression pedal in the short term, I will just do volume swells with my guitar knob - I always used a pedal for this, but I've gotten used to using the guitar volume pretty much now.  Longer term, I'm looking at a Boss OD-200 to free up the two drive blocks and the noise gate block I'm using.  That will allow me to use the method you are proposing for sure.  The OD-200 is programmable and midi controllable by the Helix.  It would be placed in the loop I am using right now for a Tech 21 SansAmp (my "amp" tone - clean/edge of breakup), so I would not need to use a block for another loop.  It also has some key models the Helix family is still missing (Blue Driver, for example).

 

The idea is to minimize the outboard pedals on my board and use the HX Effects to it's full ability.  Just the HX Effects, SansAmp and 1 expression pedal would have been great, but unless they give us another block or two in the HX Effects, it's not going to happen.  One thing that would be nice is if the input block, which is fixed with no adjustable parameters in the HX Effects, had a rudimentary noise gate like the Helix Floor does.  That would free up the 1 block I'm looking for!

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