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Can I please get a simple list that tells me which legacy effects are stereo or mono please? All I see in the manual is this.

 

  • Legacy effects models vary in behavior:
    • Legacy Distortion, Dynamics & Pitch/Synth effects are mono
    • Legacy Modulation & Delay effects vary in that some are mono, some stereo, and some mono-in/stereo-out, where adjusting the effect’s Mix parameter can narrow the stereo image that is fed into them
    • Legacy Filter and Reverb effects are stereo
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On 7/3/2022 at 2:02 AM, coachz said:

All I see in the manual is this.


Looks to me like you have answered your own question.

  • Legacy Distortion, Dynamics & Pitch/Synth effects are mono = MONO
  • Legacy Filter and Reverb effects are stereo = STEREO

Oh, yeah - then there are these.

 

Legacy Modulation & Delay effects vary in that some are mono, some stereo, and some mono-in/stereo-out, where adjusting the effect’s Mix parameter can narrow the stereo image that is fed into them.
 

Well, that is confusing to the point of what happens when you actually put one of these blocks into the signal flow, and checking what comes out of the other end. Possible one of three options, would be my guess. Surely, if you write down the result of the test you will have the concise information and the list you are looking for.


I was really hoping that someone else would have written this reply for me, but dammit - no, I had to do it myself.

 

Oh, I just checked the date - it isn’t April 1st. Wow!

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Since I have the stomp connected to my Reaper DAW I'll just put a stereo analyzer on and see which ones are mono and which ones are not. It would have been nice though if there was an icon for legacy effects to indicate it

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On 7/3/2022 at 1:46 PM, coachz said:

It would have been nice though if there was an icon for legacy effects to indicate it

 

Hi,

 

It seems that Line 6 decided on the tiny Museum icon as a general indication of the status of Legacy effects. If you need a particular effect and want less DSP stress, then use a legacy block and in the midst of battle most people would not know the difference. Most anything that you would normally place in your signal path before an amp, should be mono, and after the amp stereo. Essentially what is quoted in the manual.  Anything else is basically a question of using your ears.

 

The majority of the legacy effects have had new Helix versions created that are far higher quality. Granted there are quite few legacy blocks that have not crossed over, as of the current date, but who know what v3.15 firmware holds that department.

 

Admittedly, before the Legacy category of items were added to the Helix I would hook up my old POD HD500 to my Helix, simply to be able to use the Dimensions block. Now that is one item I would like to see benefit from a reworking to the new model standard.

 

I would not hold my breath hoping that Line 6 coders decide to create new icons for stuff they seem to regard as museum pieces.

 

 

 

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After going through each Legacy effect I now know which are stereo and which are not.  Some are simply Mono while others take Mono and make Stereo.  I hope this helps others.    You can test yourself with the attached preset.  Just bypass the delay to test mono and enable it to test stereo and give a quick thwack to the guitar and mute it.  Look at a goniometer and you can easily see what's mono and stereo.

 

Legacy FX

 

Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Distortion > Tube Drive
Distortion > Screamer
Distortion > Overdrive
Distortion > Classic Dist
Distortion > Heavy Dist
Distortion > Colordrive
Distortion > Buzz Saw
Distortion > Facial Fuzz
Distortion > Jumbo Fuzz
Distortion > Fuzz Pi
Distortion > Jet Fuzz
Distortion > Line 6 Drive
Distortion > Line 6 Distortion
Distortion > Sub Oct Fuzz
Distortion > Octave Fuzz

 

Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Dynamics > Tube Comp
Dynamics > Red Comp
Dynamics > Blue Comp
Dynamics > Blue Comp Treb
Dynamics > Vetta Comp
Dynamics > Vetta Juice
Dynamics > Boost Comp

 

Modulation > Pattern Tremolo    Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Panner                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Bias Tremolo        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Opto Tremolo        Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Script Phase        Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Panned Phaser        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Barberpole            Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Dual Phaser        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > U-Vibe                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Modulation > Phaser                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Pitch Vibrato        Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Modulation > Dimension            Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Analog Chorus        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Tri Chorus            Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Analog Flanger        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Jet Flanger        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > AC Flanger            Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > 80A Flanger        Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Modulation > Frequency Shift    Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Ring Modulator        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Rotary Drum        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Rotary Drm/Horn    Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Modulation > Tape Eater            Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Modulation > Warble Matic        Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Modulation > Randon S&H            Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Modulation > Sweeper            Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo


Delay > Ping Pong                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Dynamic                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Stereo                    Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Digital                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Dig w/ Mod                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Reverse                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Delay > Lo Res                    Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Tube Echo                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Tape Echo                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Sweep Echo                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Echo Platter            Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Analog Echo                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Analog w/ Mod            Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Auto-Volume Echo        Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Multi-Head                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Delay > Bubble Echo                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Delay > Phaze Eko                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
 

Mono -> Mono
Pitch/Synth > Bass Octaver
Pitch/Synth > Smart Harmony
Pitch/Synth > Octi Synth
Pitch/Synth > Synth O Matic
Pitch/Synth > Attack Synth
Pitch/Synth > Synth String
Pitch/Synth > Growler
Pitch/Synth > Buzz Wave
Pitch/Synth > Rez Synth
Pitch/Synth > Seismik Synth
Pitch/Synth > Analog Synth
Pitch/Synth > Synth Lead
Pitch/Synth > String Theory
Pitch/Synth > Synth FX
Pitch/Synth > Saturn 5 RingMod
Pitch/Synth > Synth Harmony
Pitch/Synth > Double Bass


Filter > Voice Box                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Filter > V Tron                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Mono
Filter > Q Filter                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Seeker                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Obi Wah                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Tron Up                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Tron Down                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Throbber                Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Slow Filter            Mono -> Mono, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Spin Cycle                Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo
Filter > Comet Trails            Mono -> Stereo, Stereo -> Stereo

 

Stereo
Reverb > Plate
Reverb > Room
Reverb > Chamber
Reverb > Hall
Reverb > Echo
Reverb > Tile
Reverb > Cave   
Reverb > Ducking
Reverb > Octo
Reverb > 63 Spring
Reverb > Spring 
Reverb > Particle Verb


 

Mono Stereo Test.hlx

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On 7/3/2022 at 4:38 PM, coachz said:

I hope this helps others.

 

Ah, you see, now you have created a resource which could be very helpful to some other Helix product users - or even users of the older M units from where the Legacy effects were derived.

 

Didn't take very long either - well done.

 

 

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That's great info! If you don't mind, I'll include your findings in version 1.2 of the Helix book, with appropriate credit of course. This also makes me think I need to cover Legacy effects in general, since the first two versions concentrated on the non-legacy effects.

 

I also like your idea of the routing symbols, that makes a lot of sense. 

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On 7/5/2022 at 11:09 AM, craiganderton said:

That's great info! If you don't mind, I'll include your findings in version 1.2 of the Helix book, with appropriate credit of course. This also makes me think I need to cover Legacy effects in general, since the first two versions concentrated on the non-legacy effects.

 

I also like your idea of the routing symbols, that makes a lot of sense. 

Thanks so much.  It's my pleasure for you to use the info.  Feel free to shoot me a link for a copy of the book too.  :-). I've been following you for decades and remember so many of your articles including one that I thought was just so amazing. It was called "Things that keep you from making music" . Ring a bell?

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On 7/5/2022 at 10:31 AM, coachz said:

Thanks so much.  It's my pleasure for you to use the info.  Feel free to shoot me a link for a copy of the book too.  :-)

 

I can't figure out how to send a private message with this forum, so...send an email to the official support email for all my books, craig.tech.center@gmail.com. Tell me how you want to be credited, and where to send the link.

 

On 7/5/2022 at 10:31 AM, coachz said:

"Things that keep you from making music" . Ring a bell?

 

I remember the title, but I have no idea what it said specifically, or where it appeared...after a few thousand articles, the details get blurry! Glad you liked it, though.

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