coachz Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Is there any way to change the globals like for example the global output by using command center commands or some other way? I want to toggle the instrument and line level output based on the presets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 No, but you can use the level settings in the blocks themselves to accomplish the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Won't that change the output impedance though by changing instrument to line level and vice versa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Output level is not the same as output impedance. Impedance is a constant, level is a variable. When you use the level parameters in the blocks that's what you're changing, the level. When you use the INST/LINE settings in globals you're doing the same thing, only by a fixed amount to accommodate the input/output level requirements to maintain headroom in different types of devices. To put it another way - while different impedances can affect the volume from a device, the reverse is not the case. It's complicated electronics gobbledyg00k. Google it for a better explanation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 So are you saying that if I use line level and turn the volume down and run that output into my tube amp it will sound the same as if it's an instrument level? That they both will have the same output impedance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Maybe if you say what exactly you're using (Helix? HXFX?) into what kind of amp (Pignose? Marshall Super Lead?), what you need to use the available outputs for and what exactly you're trying to accomplish, maybe I might be able to give some advice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 I'm feeding the output into a Marshall DSL 40 amp and other times plugging the output to a PreSonus digimax FX line input. The instrument inputs are being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Guitar>Helix Input>Helix 1/4" Output set to INST in Global Settings>DSL40. XLR Out set to MIC in Global Settings>Digimax XLR/MIC Input. Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Sorry I wasn't clear but it is a stomp xl in 4 cable mode for the dsl40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Place a SEND R Block at the end of the chain and set SEND/RETURN R to INST. Take the RING (R) signal to the Digimax 1/4" Input. OR Do the same thing but take the RING signal to a DI Box and take the XLR from that to the Digimax XLR. OR Buy a Helix. You know you want one... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 Thanks but my sends are currently used. I don't need them at the same time. I just uplug the output to the guitar amp and plug it into my interface. I was hoping to change the globals output state per preset using command center though. If I use line level and turn the volume down and run that output into my tube amp it will sound the same as if it's an instrument level? Does global output inst and line level both have the same output impedance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 7/7/2022 at 4:59 AM, coachz said: If I use line level and turn the volume down and run that output into my tube amp it will sound the same as if it's an instrument level? Does global output inst and line level both have the same output impedance? Yes, if you manage to match it exactly. Yes. Impedance is 1M. Always. The Guitar INPUT is the only place it can be adjusted. Do us a favor? In the future, when you ask for help, provide as many details as possible and, if we specifically ask you for more information, provide it. That saves us all a LOT of time and effort coming up with solutions for you that won't work because you haven't provided the info we need. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 Will do. Thanks. I wish there was a way to put a signature in here where I could put my setup. Are you saying the output impedance is 1M ? Wouldn't that be high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 The Input Impedance of most guitar amps and modern pedals (except fuzzes) is 1M. Do not confuse IMPEDANCE which is measured in OHMS and LEVEL which is measured in decibels. Apples and rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 Right but I was talking about output impedance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 7/7/2022 at 5:59 AM, coachz said: If I use line level and turn the volume down and run that output into my tube amp it will sound the same as if it's an instrument level? Yes it will sound the same.... the difference in volume between LINE OUT and INSTRUMENT OUT is not as dramatic as I thought it would be. I just ran a quick test with my LT and INSTRUMENT OUT is about 8db - 10db lower than LINE. If you want to set the output levels per preset, just leave the output set to LINE and lower the output level to somewhere between -8db and -10db for the presets you need at "instrument level". On 7/7/2022 at 5:59 AM, coachz said: Does global output inst and line level both have the same output impedance? I just put a DMM on the output of my LT... it read just over 10K whether it was set to instrument or line. I would assume the STOMP or STOMP XL is the same, but I don't know for certain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 Nice. Thanks all of you guys for the great information. This is really helpful. By the way I love this little stomp XL especially now that I have two Dunlop DVP5 expression pedals keeping it company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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