Evan329 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 This has to be the best update. The sound quality has improved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theElevators Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 5:50 PM, theElevators said: really? Really. Maybe it's just the new cabs, maybe something else under the hood, but even the Factory presets are much improved. That's all I've had time to mess with so far today, but I'm VERY happy with the update. I hope it fixed your output problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theElevators Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 8:24 PM, rd2rk said: Really. Maybe it's just the new cabs, maybe something else under the hood, but even the Factory presets are much improved. That's all I've had time to mess with so far today, but I'm VERY happy with the update. I hope it fixed your output problem? That's great to hear! However I will wait to update the firmware for another month or two. I have a gig, then a tour coming up, so I want to be 100% sure there are no issues. After every major update, there is always an immediate hotfix.... My philosophy is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. TBH, I don't need anything that 3.50 has. But if the sound quality is indeed better, then it's worth checking out for sure. The left/mono bug getting fixed would be a nice bonus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 6:30 PM, theElevators said: That's great to hear! However I will wait to update the firmware for another month or two. I have a gig, then a tour coming up, so I want to be 100% sure there are no issues. After every major update, there is always an immediate hotfix.... The voice of experience... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestOpinion Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Love that this firmware update upped the cabs sound quality! Hope they decide to get comprehensive and get around to upgrading the rest of the legacy cabs as well in a future update. Wouldn't want to trigger any OCD by only seeing the current partial selection from the legacy cabs in the new upgraded cabs list. Right now though I am way too busy seeing how many extra blocks I can stuff into every preset thanks to the DSP optimization in the new cabs and IR management :-) From release notes: "Due to further improvements to Helix Core, new Cabs and 1024-point IRs use roughly 66% less DSP as in 3.15 or earlier. Even the new IR > Dual block uses less DSP than a single IR block in 3.15. 2048-point IRs use roughly 80% less DSP, although they still use a lot of memory, so they're still limited to one instance per path. NOTE: Older Hybrid cabs use the same amount of DSP as in earlier firmware." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
line-6-user Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Yes, playing a few new Factory presets it indeed sound nicer to my ears, I though so before reading this thread. Nice Job Line 6! Thank you for the early Christmas present! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilrahi Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 5:50 PM, theElevators said: really? I think no ... not really. The new cabs are nice though. In my opinion people thinking a core sound design was improved are actually hearing their own excitement. I could be wrong though. I got no special in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theElevators Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I mean for your existing presets, do they sound the same or better? I doubt they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilrahi Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Ppfffttt .... no need to be pissy @themetallikid ... just my opinion... @theelements in my opinion they sound exactly as they did before. Not that that's a bad thing. They sounded good before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 On 11/6/2022 at 1:17 PM, theElevators said: I mean for your existing presets, do they sound the same or better? I doubt they do. Core tone updates.... nah, that's placebo or so subtle very, very few would notice. The cabs are something different. In a real world set up... any change to a speaker, cabinet or mic makes a difference. Better or worse.... that's always subjective. Some people will love this cab update, others will wonder why it was needed. IMO... Peoples knowledge of speakers/mics/placement will be a large factor in how they feel about this new option. Just in case it's not clear... L6 didn't replace anything, they just added options. All those old cabs & mics are still there and sound like they always have. When you fire up your Helix after the update your presets will sound exactly the same until you choose to try a "new cab block". At that point it WILL be different, and it's up to you if you like it or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachz Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 What has improved is the ease at which you can get exactly the sound you want. Super nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulTBaker Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Agree mix placement knowledge is very important! Can someone point me to a good reference on mix placement principles, etc. I know I can Google and I also realize trial and error is the best learning tool! However, it would be nice to have some basic knowledge before all the testing. For example, last night I used one of my patches and made a snapshot of the existing cab and one for the new cab. When on the new cab snapshot, I would use pedal edit to change the parameters of the speaker while I played. That was helpful and will be my learning tool. I can see it will take a while because my ears are not what they used to be. So again any good references would be much appreciated.... Basic stuff like, move the mic out to get rid of the base, or what the 45axis is supposed to do. I'm also sure I'm not the only one that needs this. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolko60 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 4:49 PM, PaulTBaker said: Basic stuff like, move the mic out to get rid of the base, or what the 45axis is supposed to do. Moving mic out of the cap is basically LPF Moving mic off axis is basically HPF 45deg is the same as moving off axis but a lot of people believe it does some magic. Current "stock cab" is GUI approach. In such solutions only a few IRs are actually used, they may be interpolated and filted to give a user a nicer experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulTBaker Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulTBaker Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Recording Magazine Resources: Capturing the Cab Mics and Miking For those like me that don't know this.... the above is a good start! " First, the further you are from the cabinet, the more room tone you’ll get. The direct sound of the cabinet will be less bassy and have softer highs. The closer you are, the more direct cabinet sound you’ll get, with added proximity effect down low plus piercing highs. Second, the closer you are to the center of the speaker cone, the brighter and more direct the sound will be. As you move towards the edge of the cone, the sound will get darker. Third—on-axis vs. off-axis. This comparison refers to the angle at which the mic is placed in relation to the sound source. So, let’s say you have that SM57 placed at a 45 degree angle against the grille of the cab. That is 45 degrees off-axis. If you place it pointing straight towards the cab, that’s on-axis. Not surprisingly, on-axis gives your more treble and more punch. Off-axis gives a bassier, darker and warmer tone." and much more! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codamedia Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/8/2022 at 11:53 AM, PaulTBaker said: Recording Magazine Resources: Capturing the Cab Mics and Miking For those like me that don't know this.... the above is a good start! That's a good resource... IMO... mic choice/placement/combinations is a critical stage in tone development. It doesn't end at the amp alone... traditionally that was just where you handed off the duties to an engineer or tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chstd Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 It sounds really impressive and tone creating process is really easy with the new cab block. I have tried some combinations, i will add here if anyone interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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