geoma Posted January 31, 2024 Share Posted January 31, 2024 Je travaille sur mon DAW Cubase avec Hélix Native et le controler midi Blackstar Live Logic. Quelqu'un sait-il comment programmer le controler midi pour passer d'un snapshot à un autre dans Hélix Native ?...et aussi pour passer d'un preset à un autre ? J'ai essayé avec l'aide du petit logiciel fourni avec le controler mais je n'y arrive pas. La doc n'est pas trés claire à ce sujet. merci pour votre aide. Georges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theElevators Posted January 31, 2024 Share Posted January 31, 2024 et maintenant en anglais, s'il tu plait.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoma Posted January 31, 2024 Author Share Posted January 31, 2024 I work on my Cubase DAW with Hélix Native and the Blackstar Live Logic midi controller. Does anyone know how to program the midi controller to move from one snapshot to another in Hélix Native?...and also to move from one preset to another? I tried using the little software provided with the controller but I couldn't do it. The doc is not very clear on this subject. Thanks for your help. George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinon2 Posted January 31, 2024 Share Posted January 31, 2024 On 1/31/2024 at 11:01 AM, theElevators said: et maintenant en anglais, s'il tu plait.... "Something I'm trying to do ain't working" ...;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted January 31, 2024 Share Posted January 31, 2024 Snapshots are called using CC#69 with a Value of 0-7 (Snapshots 1-8). I don't Have the BS Live controller (very weak MIDI controller), but I would assume from the App I downloaded that you would create a template with each switch assigned to CC/Toggle/CC#69 and corresponding ON and OFF Values of 0-5 (switch 1-6). Since there are only 6 switches you'll be limited to 6 Snapshots You can't switch presets unless you're using a MAC based DAW which supports AU plugins or ProTools (AAX plugins). From the Native Pilot's Guide: NOTE - AU and AAX Plug-in Formats Only: At this time, remote MIDI control of setlist and preset changes is supported only with the AU (Mac) and Pro Tools AAX (Mac and Windows) Helix Native plug-in formats. It is not supported for the VST2 or VST3 Helix Native plug-in formats on Mac or Windows. Also note that Setlist and Preset changes performed via MIDI PC/CC messages are not supported by Undo, and will clear the current Undo history - please see “Undo and Redo” on page 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted January 31, 2024 Share Posted January 31, 2024 On 1/31/2024 at 9:01 AM, theElevators said: and now in English, please.... FWIW and future reference - if you right-click the message you get a menu with a translate option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoma Posted January 31, 2024 Author Share Posted January 31, 2024 Un grand merci à vous "rd2rk" pour toutes ces explications. Si j'ai bien compris, je vais pouvoir agir sur le changement de "snapshots" mais pas sur le changement de "presets" (ou patch)....(car pas possible avec Vst3 sur windows) Est-ce bien cela ?... Mais alors, que peut-on faire avec les messages PC ?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted January 31, 2024 Share Posted January 31, 2024 Steinberg did not design VST3 to be used for Preset changes the same way as VST2, so that will be the case with VST3 in any plugin in Windows, not just Native. Per the quoted section of the Native Pilot's Guide, if you're using ProTools the AAX version should allow preset changes by MIDI. I don't use ProTools so I can't verify that. Snapshots should work fine. With a better MIDI controller you would be able to assign a simple (non-toggling) CC to just send CC#69 and the necessary value. You should be able to mimic that with your "Live Logic" by setting both the ON and OFF parameters to the same value, as I described, so that the same VALUE is sent every time the switch is pressed. If you haven't used MIDI yet in Cubase, IIRC it works like most DAWs - you create a MIDI track to receive messages from your controller, then point the OUTPUT of that track at the AUDIO track which has Native on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoma Posted February 1, 2024 Author Share Posted February 1, 2024 Merci beaucoup "rd2rk" pour cette information trés importante pour moi. Donc il ne me reste plus qu'à changer de controller midi pour pouvoir changer de presets...! Avez-vous un conseil pour l'achat d'un autre controller midi (pas trop cher)...et qui fonctionne avec Cubase ? Par ailleurs,vous n'avez pas répondu à ma question : à quoi servent les messages PC ? Encore merci pour votre aide précieuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted February 1, 2024 Share Posted February 1, 2024 "Thank you very much "rd2rk" for this very important information for me. So all I have to do is change the midi controller to be able to change the presets...! Do you have any advice for buying another midi controller (not too expensive)... and who works with Cubase? By the way, you didn't answer my question: what are PC messages for? Thank you again for your invaluable help." PC messages are exactly what you think. Originally, back in the days when MIDI was primarily used with the "new" digital synthesizers that didn't require physically "patching" cables to change sounds, PC meant "Patch Change". Over time and wider usage that morphed into "Preset Change". That's what it means today and it works fine with VST2 plugins, standalone computer synths and amp sims. When Steinberg dropped support for VST2 and replaced it with VST3 they changed the spec so that, while they CLAIM that it's still possible, it requires a lot of work on the part of the developers of the end-user programs. That has not been happening, and new technologies like AU (MAC) and AAX (ProTools) are taking up the slack. In order for other DAWs to use AAX they would have to license it from Avid and, you know, lawyers, money... or else they would have to develop their own new solutions which is apparently not easy. Why, you might ask, does Steinberg, who own both VST3 and Cubase, not develop a workaround for this problem? I think it's because they're lollipops. Here's a link to the Cubase Forum discussion of the issue: No Program Changes in VST3 - regrettable decision - Cubase - Steinberg Forums The corporate attitude is obvious in the posts by Arne Scheffler Your options are: Buy a Helix and use Native only for re-amping. Consider that Helix is also an Audio Interface and MIDI Controller, and can be configured to control Cubase functions such as the Transport - Start, Stop, Record etc. Buy ProTools and use Native's AAX plugin version. Buy a MAC and use Logic with the AU version of Native. Your Live Logic should work fine with Cubase for basic functions. The problem is that Preset Changes in Native via MIDI simply won't work in Cubase because of what I explained above and also because L6 chose to not create a VST2 version (VST3 is the future, baby, and everybody here uses MAC anyway). I don't know what's available/affordable in your part of the world. Look for a controller that allows multiple messages to be sent on a single switch. If floor space is not an issue you can probably find a used FCB1010. With the UNO chip modification it is quite capable of controlling most amp sims, and with the UNO2 chip it will do most anything you want (requires basic programming skills). If you're looking for an affordable, great sounding fully MIDI controllable amp sim to use in place of Native I highly recommend S-Gear (Scuffham). Not nearly as many amps/effects, but what's there sounds great. Join the forum and listen to some of the songs its users have recorded over the years. Amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoma Posted February 5, 2024 Author Share Posted February 5, 2024 Merci beaucoup pour toutes ces infos vraiment bien renseignées et pleines de bon sens. Vous avez l'air de bien maitriser tous ces problèmes et cela m'épate, moi qui ne suis qu'un débutant... Bonne continuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahulmaxyy Posted February 8, 2024 Share Posted February 8, 2024 I tried using the little software provided with the controller but I couldn't do it. waplus projectfreetv.onl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted February 10, 2024 Share Posted February 10, 2024 On 2/8/2024 at 3:32 AM, rahulmaxyy said: I tried using the little software provided with the controller but I couldn't do it. Why? Couldn't do what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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