the29band Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I've had the 69 for about a few months now and I purchased the 59 which was delivered yesterday. Both of them are on v1.90. When playing through the same preset on the POD HD500, the modeling on the 2 guitars sounds different...very different. Is that expected? I thought the modeling's supposed to sound pretty much the same. And I am, of course, using the same guitar model (Lester setting 1). Also, on the 59 the pick attack is very loud and is very prominent on the recordings. I can post sound samples but wanted to see if folks who own 1 of each have had have similar experiences. Thanks for your help in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Weird. I thought they were supposed to be calibrated between guitars. They really should do that, the inconsistencies kind of defeats the purpose of the Variax. They should put a modeling offset before the actual modeling begins. It's probably because of the scale length body and material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealZap Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 they do all have separate firmwares, so it can easily be assumed that the differences are taken into account on some level. can't say i know what the difference is in this case, but i can agree that there shouldn't be a difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the29band Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Here are the samples. The first 2 samples are just strumming an open D chord to demonstrate. On the JTV59 (the first sample) you will hear some extra plucking noise.69 sounds smoother. The last 2 are samples for Semi model. This is more subtle but the 69 sounds a little more full as a semi should, I think or maybe it's just my ears here. Again the first sample is the 59. The thing is I can hear the differences more when I strum than when I am just picking. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6769156/JTV59.mp3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6769156/JTV69.mp3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6769156/JTV59_Semi.mp3 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6769156/JTV69_Semi.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie_Watt Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The tone sounds very similar to me. They are very different guitars though. Scale length, bridge, etc are very different. That probably explains the different sounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I agree, it isn't as bad as you said. Perhaps it's the piezos too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the29band Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Maybe it's just my ears then. Can you hear the plucking sound (don't know what the exact word would be) on the 59? That's what bothering me the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I don't hear any real differences in those clips (other than your 59 was out of tune... ;) It happens...). I'm not hearing the plucking sound you're referring to. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but sometimes these nuances are more noticeable if you're the one playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the29band Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 See that's another thing. The 59 is completely in tune (using the same tuner for 59 and 69) but still sounds out of tune. Maybe i am going crazy. I should probably get some sleep and try again the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I could hear it, it's a small pick noise on the attack, but other than that, it sounds exactly the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstar1960 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 See that's another thing. The 59 is completely in tune (using the same tuner for 59 and 69) but still sounds out of tune. Maybe i am going crazy. I should probably get some sleep and try again the morning. Maybe the intonation is slightly out on the 59 - it may need some slight tweaking to get it spot on if it's a new guitar - it probably also needs to settle down to conditions in your house which may be very different from where it has come from - so the wood will take a few days to acclimatise and the neck may move a little - so you probably need to double check your set up, including neck relief, once you have had it for a week or two, and adjust as necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie_Watt Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Tonewise they sound the same to me. Out of tune on a D chord is not uncommon and usually results from the action at the nut being set too high. That causes you to stretch the strings more when you fret near the neck making the notes sharp. I use Earvana nuts for this reason. They compensate those notes a bit and make it play more in tune near the nut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevekc Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 My 2 cents -I also own both a JTV59 and JTV69. In my case with Variax Modeling engaged, irregardless of FW1.9 or or FW2.1 my 69 is 15% louder than my 59, which bums me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the29band Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Stevekc, that's exactly true with mine too. Do you also hear the pick attack on your 59 when you play open chords with slight crunch on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clay-man Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Go in workbench and adjust all your patch levels down until the volume matches the other guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie_Watt Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Loudness by itself isn't a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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