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Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by jvernon1235 on 2010-01-26 11:26:33.8650

I love my M13.  The Line 6 guys have done a bang up job with the product and the firmware updates.  However, when I'm in scene latch mode I would love a setting that would make it possible to keep the tempo the same as I switch between scenes.  Any idea if this might be in the works for the next firmware update? 

Am I the only one that thinks that this would be beneficial.



Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by MaestrosounD on 2010-01-26 22:49:25.6350

I know that guys like the seperate tap tempo, but I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to switch between global and seperate.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by mattCo on 2010-01-28 05:20:52.5690

+ 1

It's a feature I already asked for, time ago. I hope it will be included because for some setups it is indispensable.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by habsi on 2010-01-31 05:33:21.4380


This would be a wonderful option. I am doing much improvised music, so I often do not know which scene I will use next. This would help very much.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by jvernon1235 on 2010-02-04 13:17:14.4690

I'm glad some others feel the same way.  I lead worship and trying to turn more than one effect on and off at the same time is extremely hard when you're singing lead.

We also use Ableton Live quite a bit and I would like for Live to trigger my different scenes without changing the tempo.  I can then focus more on what I'm doing from a leading aspect and focus less on the technical crap during the songs.

I use a lot of tempo sync'd delay stuff and, in most cases, I'm using one delay on an eighth delay and another on a dotted eighth delay.  Unfortunately, this means that I need to be able to turn on/off both delays at the same time.  This forces me to use an entire scene to do this, but I wouldn't mind it if the tempo remained constant while switching through scenes.



Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by phil_m on 2010-02-04 13:24:16.3730

Have you tried syncing to Ableton Live's MIDI clock at all?  The M13 does have the ability to do this now.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by MaestrosounD on 2010-02-04 13:35:53.4700

Yeah phil, about that, tap tempo for delays works OK for me, but I syncing my pattern tremolo and stuff like that doesn't work to smoothly, how does that work for you?

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by phil_m on 2010-02-04 13:39:32.6660

I've not gotten to try it, actually.  I did read the threads where people where having a few issues with it, though.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by MaestrosounD on 2010-02-04 13:41:43.6450

Yeah, good thing for an update(my hunger can not me stilled, even after 2.01... it's getting better and better though!)

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by jaeger28 on 2010-02-13 09:41:49.6340


I am using in scene mode and when I'm switching scenes, I also switch channels on my amp.

Whenever I change sounds i lose the tap tempo as I change scene.

There should be a setting to use "global" or "scene" tempo. Can be a global setting of the unit or on scene level. I'd prefer global.

Please Line6, this is an important feature, we love the M13 but this should be configurable!!

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by RichRenken on 2010-02-15 13:55:57.8620

Click the "contact us" tab below and put it in as a feature request.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by jaeger28 on 2010-02-15 14:00:38.8690


Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by KozMcCharlie on 2010-02-16 12:56:14.2390

I don't think that there's really any need to do away with scene specific tempos, but an override option would be a serious upgrade for those of us who like to take detours in the music and need to remain at a constant tempo...

Feature Request sent... Please, everyone should send requests for this!!!

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by erick4x4 on 2010-02-17 13:43:41.7370


FYI I have done this, and it works pretty good for delays, but it has two big problems for this.

1) Without global it takes a second for the clock to update when you switch scenes, so it sounds weird every switch.

2) With all effects that need the downbeat set, the midi clock doesn't set the downbeat, so you have to rehit the tap switch to set the downbeat. I think this is a big problem in using this whether in latch mode, or just for using trems and pattern.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by gcadiz on 2010-04-20 14:51:14.6140

Count me in.

The M13 is THE multiFx I was looking for, but there's still room for some improvements, and global tempo is one of them.

I realized this when I started using more than one scene, since at first I was using just one basic scene, good-old-stombox-style.

I haven't tried syncing with external clock (MacBook Pro running Live or something else), but I don't think it's a good solution for live work. I prefer all-hardware for that kind of situation.

I've already filled the request so, let's hope Line6 is listening (and working it).

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by swickpro on 2010-04-22 06:18:27.4460

+1 here too.  Trailing delay tails/EFX between SCENE switching would be helpful too.  This would allow smoother use of multiple scenes within one song.  Kinda clunky now.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by gcadiz on 2010-04-22 06:45:40.6440

Yeah, that would be cool too... never thought about it. Trails between scenes would be a great addition.

But, is it even possible to fix that with a firmware update?

Maybe that's a feature requiring more DSP power (like the GSP1101 that uses 2 AudioDNA to achieve this). As I understand, when you switch scenes you are wiping all models and loading everything from start, so maybe the trails thing would require a different approach to it.

I hope not and we actually get all these great ideas come to life on the next (hopefully soon) update.

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by swickpro on 2010-04-22 07:02:17.7750

Yeah, everyone works differently, but I (my band) try to be as seem-less as possible between songs.  Most of the time our transitions are not noticeable.  Stopping and resetting scenes/FX will not always work without creating that hiccup.  I'm working on having crucial transition songs/sounds all within one scene/bank and only changing when there's a long enough break between songs.  A more seem-less transition/flow between scenes would really open up the unit to be used to full potential.  Then again, maybe I should just become a bass player...

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by HansSolo on 2011-04-26 08:19:03.7810

I've been out of the loop for a while - Did this go anywhere? Are there updates that adresses this?

Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by ben_allison on 2012-09-17 11:17:05.7430


Re: Global Tap Tempo, Anyone?
by HansSolo on 2012-11-07 04:29:34.2570

Yeah, I made a feature request over a year ago. Can we get an update from someone at Line 6?

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