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Recording levels still have me bafled
by CraigDavson on 2013-01-31 19:56:27.9390

Hi guys,

I know I have seen this in discussions somewhere before here but can,t find it again so forgive me if this has been talked about already.

I have been doing some recordings on the M20. It's all easy to use and everything but I just having huge problems getting the levels up to a reasonable level.

Whenever I have gone into the files the vocals are barely audible compared to the line. The main mix is the same... very low levels. I am finding I have to go into my Goldwave or whatever I am using and really boost the Db up on everything to make it listenable. Is anyone else having these problems or has had them and fixed them.

I have all the levels up on the desk when doing the recorings and the SD card media level is up as well but it just doesnt really make much difference. I am guessing I am doing something wrong.

Any help would be appreciated.


Re: Recording levels still have me bafled
by emmebbi on 2013-01-31 21:53:48.0950

Hi, pls have a look at my last post

I had the same problem.  Rec level is low to let you use all dsp you need without get distortion to the master output. But when you use little dsp, rec level is low.

I solve this way, as from line6 suggest: after you do your def sounds, turn up channels volume and master volume thinking and reading on vu-meter +15 db as the maximum signal (0db).

Re: Recording levels still have me bafled
by silverhead on 2013-02-01 05:48:57.9310

I suggest you check your Input Trim levels on each channel. This is key because the M20 records the inputs pre-fader, in other words before they are processed by the M20 presets and routed through the Channel Level and Main Mix faders. You need to see a good input level at the Trim stage in order to have a good recording.

Re: Recording levels still have me bafled
by Octo777 on 2013-02-02 02:25:51.1460

Silverhead gives some great advice and highlights one of the only issues I have with the M20d and that is that the Trim Level (otherwise known as Gain on some desks) is not at the forefront of the Setup page and I think it's easy to forget that it's even there, till you have issues that is.

Just remember whether you are recording or playing live, you need to Trim all your input channels first so that you ideally get the trim meter to hit 0 to ensure you have a good clear signal running through the desk.

It's exactly the same process you would go through for trimming a regular mixing desk, there is just a slightly different process on the M20d.

I am guessing Line 6 figure people will use the Auto Trim feature provided and therefore won't have as much need to use the Trim encoder but I wonder if there is a possible way of bringing the Trim feature to the forefront for users who either don't want to, or don't have the option to use auto trim and need to access the trim encoder much faster on each channel when line checking the desk.....

In an ideal word for me personally, the trim encoder would appear as default on the setup page, and then I would switch to Peform mode for setting channel levels......

Unless of course there is already a way to make the Trim Encoder the default on Setup?

Re: Recording levels still have me bafled
by emmebbi on 2013-02-02 02:46:09.1260

Yes, gain setting is obviously the first thing to do on each channel, as doing on all mixers. But still doing that, on the SS the signal at the output can be very low, especially if using little dsp. This is because the reading output signal on the SS is lowered 15db on the meter scale, it means that we have a lot of output signal to use before clipping the power amplifier.

While input gain once fixed at his best must remain the same, the master output level can be adjusted for best results.

In a few words, after doing all trimming and all dsp, put your master output volume (channel volume and also master volume) up so that you read maximun level at a few less than +15db on the meter scale.... This means a good rec level if you rec, and a good signal to make the power amplifier work!

Re: Recording levels still have me bafled
by caledonian on 2013-02-06 14:16:54.1570

Is the auto trim constant on each channel as you are playing I don't know if red means on or off ?

Re: Recording levels still have me bafled
by ArneLine6 on 2013-02-06 16:55:29.5680

The auto trim dialog shows the channels selected for auto trimming in red. The trim result for each channel is the same, about +5dB. Once the auto trim is done and you press "confirm changes" the trim does not change.

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