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Is it common/recommended to put chorus, delay and reverb in some combination of parallel so they don't trainwreck each other in the wet path? sh

That worked. Now I have to get sounds I can use. I can lose some of the pedals in-front too. Most of what I need to do next is work with the levels of the different effects. That will largely be making them more subtle. Thanks again for your advice ... might be back for more. Merry Christmas, sh

Thanks rd2rk, I attached a diagram showing the various components. Dirt is in-front of the amp input. The phase and isolation component is a Lehle P-Split with buttons to reverse the phase and lift the ground if there's a ground loop. That is fed by a Bray line-out box that splices between the speaker out of the amp and the speaker. That has a pot on top to adjust the signal level heading towards the HXFX. Both of those gizmos are passive. The HX Effects is primarily for ambient effects and the Mission volume pedal is in-front of those. All my tubes amps are homebrews. Some of them have FX loops. Some don't -- part of the reason for using the speaker out. Scott Henderson uses the same type of arrangement with different dirt boxes and a Boss SE-70 cranked all the way wet for a smaller tube amp. Using both Send/Return blocks makes sense and I'm not using the second one anyway. If I understood your answer the only physical change will be plugging the cable now in Return 1 into Return 2. I'll give that a shot over the weekend and report back. Thanks again, Skip I'll give that a shot

Hi All, I'm slogging my way through setting up a home rig using a tube dry amp and a SS stereo amp for the wet side. It sounds pretty good but not what I'm after. I'm trying to supply the wet signal through a speaker line-out. Where I'm stuck now is separating the dry and the wet. In my mind's eye the dry goes in the mono input and out Send 1 to the amp. The speaker line-out goes through phase and isolation adjustments (if needed) and into Return 1. A Mission volume pedal is first in the wet signal chain. None of the post-return effects should be in the dry send but the tube amp is still picking them up so I'm clearly not isolating the two paths. I've tried the both the send and return and the FX Loop. Most of what I've seen for this device assumes the split between the wet and dry comes from internal HXFX switching so there isn't anything about the return coming in from out of the blue. Whadda ya think? BTW, I'm not married to the line-out idea or anything else so if there is a better way to do this, I'm all ears. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Skip

I'm still getting to know both the HXFX and the Superego. The latter has a built-in loop primarily for modulation effects. POGs and little Zoom multi-effects stompers seem to be the most popular options. I was mainly planning to use this for the Freeze function but thought as long as it's attached to a central effects processor; what the heck? I've got a spare Send/Return. The attached sketch is how I've got it cabled for Wet/Dry/Wet just waiting on a pair of SoundOn plugs for the power amp. The dirt is in-front of the HXFX which includes the Superego. Those get used sparingly. Loop 1 is the send to the dry amp which returns to the HXFX through the speaker line-out. Not sure I need the return coming back. The main outs are for the wet side. Among the things I'm wondering is how to create the second loop in the HX Edit function. Thanks for looking, Skip

Just curious how it worked and how you you did it. Thanks, sh

Thank you rd2rk. Cheaper than that; I just brought my laptop in from the kitchen. With all the thousands of nuances you'd think Line 6 would add a control called "So using HX Edit doesn't sound like the drive-up window at Bojangles". Like most 'stepping a rake' episodes I did learn something important. This was going to be the brain of a wet/dry/wet pedalboard. For home practice there isn't much reason not to use the native distortion and modulations. There is still a lot to absorb about creating snapshots and maneuvering around the buttons but it's there. Again thanks to everyone who has chipped in. It's appreciated. Happy Holidays, Skip

It is a ground loop between the USB ports. I've gone through a lot of posts here and elsewhere and it seems a USB isolator is the answer. For extra credit, what is the state of the play on those devices? They range from twenty bucks up ten-fold. Thanks for the help, Skip

The reset seems to have gotten it. Wondered if I'd dropped the baby on its head. I'm still working my way through the manual and the Pilot's guide trying to separate instructions for Helix, Stomp and HXFX. Thanks for your help. sh

Hi all, I have another thread going but this is mostly unrelated. I'm getting a wicked combination of high-pitched squeal and hum from the HXFX plugged directly into a Deluxe Reverb from the mono output. It happens at all times. With a guitar plugged in at any volume. With nothing plugged in. Any patch. No patch. It does pass a signal and the effects do work. I did a factory reset, changed outlets, no help. Usually they are both plugged into the same power conditioner. A guitar straight into the amp is as quiet as a tube amp gets. I am using the power supply that came with the unit. I got this new when it came out ago and never used it until now so it is well out of warranty but looks brand new. It's never been abused or left the house. Any ideas or is it a write-off? Thanks, Skip

The stereo amp has been replaced. I'm still stuck. Attached is a screen shot of the patch I've been trying to create. All I get is hum through both the dry. The Main L/R goes to the stereo amp and the send 1/2 (send 1) goes to the dry amp. The inset below-right is from a YouTube vid on using a Helix to do wet/dry/wet. I can't for the life of me figure how to anything with the outputs (the arrow in a circle) and/or create the path below that starts with a circled 'X'. Any idea would be appreciated. Thanks, sh

Quasi-related, The second loop would be always on so and the first certainly could be so there wouldn't be a reason to tie-up the buttons on the HXFX. Better to use those for the internally generated effects. Thanks, Skip

Here's how far I've gotten. The dry side seems to work fine. I'm getting nothing from the wet side but will test that amp separately with a GP-10 since it's new and I can't be sure the fault isn't with the power amp. More when I get it. sh

Sorry, I get dyslexic with this stuff. I want the guitar in (after a treble booster that doesn't play nice with buffers). The first loop is the dirt pedals or I might use the ones in the HXFX. That goes out to the dry amp through the #2 Send. Then I want to tap the speaker cable from the amp to the cab with a line-out box and run that back to the #2 Return where it will get the ambient FX for the wet stereo amp fed through the Left and Right outputs. So yes, the issue is where (and how) to create the second loop and identify what goes to the dry amp and what goes to the wet. I could just put the effects in the first loop in front of the HXFX input but lose options when to include them in the mix. Some of the preliminary stuff I got from this thread: https://line6.com/support/topic/44561-hx-effects-in-a-wet-dry-wet-set-up/ Thanks for looking, Skip

Hi All, I posted a question a while back with the idea of building a pedalboard using the HXFX as the brain. It's similar (if not a clone) of a couple other threads here. I think I've got the physical bits figured out but am having trouble with what the Signal Flow would look like. Attached is a graphic that shows the pedals involved and a description of the cabling. The guitar goes in the 'IN'. Loop One goes to a couple gain and/or boost pedals and back in the return. Some HXFX effects will be added there in differing iterations. Loop 2 is where I'm getting confused. Send 2 goes to the dry amp. The speaker cable has a line-out/phase/ground lift/volume pot creating a line-level signal going back into the Return 2 adding most modulation, delay and/or reverb. That is sent to a wet stereo power amp and a pair of speakers. It's a lot to ask but if anyone has ideas on how to map this out, you'll be my hero! Thanks, Skip

Thanks MGW-Alberta. I expect the signal levels will need tweaking too. The pedal is a Joyo American Sound which I just got. It's a cheap knock-off of a Sans-Amp Blonde. It's unexpectedly a big hit in the pedal game as an amp-in-a-box for Fendery tones and works as a pre-amp. With or without a DI box it can also go straight to the Front-of-House. I could also put a DI box on the Cab-Link. Radial makes a device (JDX, I think) that does the same thing with an XLR out. I've got lots of other pedals I could slide in there too. First among them would be an EQ for lead boosts. This is just a starting place to get the signal chain in order. A stronger power amp might be in the cards but this one is pretty loud and all it has to handle are ambient tones. Figuring out the HXFX comes after that. I've had it several years but world events overtook the schedule. Thanks again and good luck with your projects, Skip

Hi All. This is a much-asked topic but I haven’t seen exactly this application. That might be because it’s a bad idea. Still; here it is: I’m building an HXFX pedal board to go with two amps that don’t have series effects loops (between the pre-amp and inverter). The idea is that the initial gain will be in-front of the HXFX and I’ll control that with individual stomps. I could put a loop box in there if I dance too much. From there the signal goes to the HXFX input. Loop one goes to the input of the amp. The return comes off a Radial Cab-Link which replaces having a mic in front of the speaker. The Cab-Link has a pad-pot (not easy to get to) to adjust the signal. I already use this gizmo through an elderly Boss SE-50 multi-effects processor into a small stereo amp and out to the wet stereo speakers. Works great – but the Boss is only one or two effects at a time. Loop two goes to a Joyo American Sound if the tone needs shaping. Both HXFX outs go to the stereo inputs on the wet amp. Might upgrade the amp but it doesn’t have to put out much. I think it will work but thought I’d ask in case there is something obviously wrong or unnecessary. Thanks for looking, Skip

I was using the device to add delay and a little reverb to a small power amp taking a direct line feed from a guitar amp speaker using a Radial CabLink box. The CabLink taps the signal from the guitar amp speaker out (speaker still there) and sends it to the HXFX in > HXFX stereo outs > small power amp stereo ins > speakers on the other opposites sides of the wall. I get stereo ambience from an ordinary amp. I've got an older Boss SE-50 on the way to take its place and building a pedalboard around the HXFX. There will be a fuzz and compressor before it hits the buffered HXFX for impedance reasons. A couple favorite dirt pedals go in loop 1. THE HXFX handles the modulation and time-based stuff. I'm thinking it would be nice to have a good EQ towards the end of the chain to tune frequencies to the room acoustics. Hope I did a better job with that. Cheers, sh

Hi All, I'm promoting my HX Effects from cab-miked ambience to its own pedalboard. In looking at pictures from other members I occasionally notice graphic (or even parametric) EQs. I was thinking that would be nice in one of the loops to help with room dynamics on the fly. Has anyone used an equalizer that way? Thanks, sh

Thanks datacommando. I think the power-up with the page arrow made the difference. Cheers, sh

Hi All, I am setting up a Line 6 HF Effects and am getting multiple problems. I've downloaded current versions of HX Edit and Line 6 Updater with icons on the desktop. With the device powered-up I get the message above button 5 "Boot Failure: res = - 33. That happens whether the USB cable is in or not. With the device on USB with the HX Edit I get the message "'no device connected'. On the Updater I get the message 'Select device to update'. I even tried reloading the factory presets using the 'action' > command -- nada. None of the displays even blinked. There doesn't seem to be a failure or error log in the manual. The unit shows Firmware Version 2.51.0. No combination of buttons on the box has any effect on the display. I've tried both the stock USB cable and a spare I had in the drawer. Different ports on the computer too. The only other USB devices in use are the keyboard and mouse from a different port. Win 10 Pro. I've had a look at each of those three problems individually but haven't found solutions. Usually I can figure out one error but this thing is just frozen. Any clues will help. Thanks. Skip