hey thanks so much for all that info, I really appreciate all of that. I'm going to save all that in case I need it in the future. I ended up taking it in to where I bought it from and they tried all different leads, different ports, and different machines and managed to get the update going. I hope to never have to do that again. I've played line 6 for donkeys years ever since it started, am a big fan, but damn! that rigmoral for updating really had me wishing Id gone for something else. I'm glad I didn't, I've just spent the past hour listening to all the presets, getting some nostalgia vibes and there are some really nice presets. Am a bit scared to go looking for downloads, I think I will stick to working on my own. I really wanted to go look for other people's sounds too. Anyway, thanks somebody else, I appreciate it immensely.