guru, thanks for your reply, i'll check female pins on the amp & shortboard, when i look at the connectors side by side the wire color code is the same for both, is a crossover cable not for data or is it reverse wired from connector to connector or is that i need or should it be the same color code for both connectors, the problem cables are 25ft. in length; my shorter 10ft. cables work fine and my original line 6 works fine, thanks again for your help,