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At least one person wrote “I would've absolutely loved a second page of stomp assignments. Was constantly running out of them with the Floor. “. So I do not feel like a complete alien on this subject :) Zappazapper: “With all due respect, you didn't buy a pedalboard. You bought a multi-fx with models of a lot of pedals. Like I said before, the answer is that the Helix doesn't work like a pedalboard, or at least not a 32 pedal pedalboard. If you want that kind of behavior, you'll need to buy a pedalboard.” Got it. As I said before - I obviously didn’t know what I was buying. I am going to approach the Helix from a different mindset (presets/snapshots) and I am sure I will absolutely love it in the end. And as Silverhead/datacommando said, using Helix Native and changing effects with the mouse could be an option for me. datacommando: “but not really “cranky”, simply very old and curmudgeonly and can appear rather brusque. I’m from a different age - prior to Generation Snowflake and the whole Cancel Culture mentality. You could ask am I bothered by that, and my answer will always be DILLIGAF. I told I was old. ;-)” I’m not going to go into the whole “I’m old, I have a licence to be somewhat cranky/rude from time to time. Younger generations are softies and I’m never gonna change the way I communicate/reason ”. I’m bored with this approach of communication between older people and younger people. datacommando: “Some people can’t handle the truth. “ If you are referring to me here I really do not understand what you are getting at. I accept the product as it is. Do I think it can be better? Yes. Would it be a better product aimed to more guitar players if you could access another bank of footswitch assigned effects? Obviously. If the unit would somehow allow us to a second or third bank (so 20 or 30 stomp effects instead of 10) then a lot of guitarists wouldn’t have to learn a new concept of snapshots/presets (even if it is better). You can choose if you want to use the Helix with an old school approach or a new approach. The product would be perfect. So people who just want to use the Helix to replace their physical pedalboard of 15-20 stomp boxes could do that. I am one of those people, I just want to recreate a signal chain with 15-20 effects and access them as a normal pedalboard. Helix can do a hell of a lot of things, but not that. If that could be done sometime in the future (more chips or whatever) - great. Right now I have to find another way of working with the Helix (not complaining). datacommando: “Do they ever read the tech spec, or a manual for anything, before making the financial investment in new gear. Apparently not.” Not all people love reading manuals. It can be confusing. I got a midi foot controller once and tried to understand the manual and it was like reading a math book. That’s when YouTube tutorials and forums are great. You can simply ask a question and instead of reading a manual someone can take a few minutes of their time and give you the answer. Datacommando, just because a thread is created on this forum with a stupid question you do not have to get involved. You can choose to do other things with your life if the OP is a moron. There are always going to be morons. I just bought the Helix and it is my first multi effect unit. I’m a complete moron when it comes to this world. I’m sure I’m going to be somewhat of an expert in a few years if I use it every day. Even if that day comes I’m not going to bang my head against the wall if a moron ask a silly question, but that is just me. In my case I was going up and down through all of the menus trying to get a second bank of effects but I couldn’t. So I though “maybe I should just ask the pros if this even can be done”. I got my answer - no it can’t be done. Great. I just wanted to understand why this was not a feature, because it is such a basic thing wanting foot access to more than 10 effects in a signal chain. Especially when the Helix allows me to build a signal chain with more than 10 effects in the first place. I still do not understand why I have to bend down, use the joystick and scroll to effect #11 in the signal chain and bypass it by hand instead of using my foot to go to another bank with effect #11 there. But I do not have to understand it, I was just curious. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if it is a CPU issue or just a design flaw. datacommando: “Now, it’s Saturday night and I intend to go and get very drunk” I hope you had a great night. You seem to know an awful lot and contribute a lot to the forum. Keep it up! “DunedinDragon:” Lord knows those that have been around here for many years, pretty much since the beginning of Helix have suffered through a lot of dumb questions including our own in the beginning. But I'm kind of agreeing with @datacommando that there's a lot of comments and questions that make you go "hmmmmmmmm....". For example in this case my first thought was, didn't he notice there were a LOT less footpedals on the Helix than what he wanted to have active before he bought it? As I stated before, the amount of footswitches is not the problem here. The amount of 12 footswitches on the Helix Floor is all well and good. The problem for me is that the unit won’t allow me to toggle between another bank of stomp effects. I do not have to have 24 individual footswitches. The eight middle footswitches and the ability to access more effects with a second and third bank would have been fine. Before I bought the Helix I watched 20 videos of it. It looked great. You could assign your favourite effects to different footswitches, saw people do it in the videos. I saw them go up and down in banks with presets and what was called “snapshops”. Then when I got the Helix I was like “but… is 10 the maximum of effects I can access with my feet?”. Anyways, thanks guys for your answers. You have been very helpful. I’m going to deep dive into snapshots/presents and create a more sound/song approach. December is upon us. Christmas greetings from a snowy Sweden. Cheers!

Someone’s a bit cranky today. “That’s rather odd, because you were proposing that the concept was a “no brainier”. Hmm… yeah, right!” What is odd? Yes, I think it is a bit weird that they didn’t include the possibility to switch banks to access more than 10 effects. Some of us aren’t interested in doing individual presets for different songs. We bought the effects unit for the effects. We use the same amp and same 10-15 effects for all of our songs. We just want to turn a few of the effects on once in a while and turn them off, we don’t care for the other stuff. “How can be it impossible?” is a question that needs to be aimed at the Line 6 Software Engineers, not users of the forum, who are not Line 6 staff or privy to the workings of their minds. Plus none of those people are here. What is your problem? The whole point of a forum is to ask questions to people who know more than you in hope of getting your questions answered. Just because you personally can’t answer my questions doesn’t mean that no-one on this forum can. “Wanting more than ten pedals is definitely not strange, it’s what is commonly referred to GAS. We all suffer from it to some degree, come with the territory.” I would definitely not define owning 10+ pedals GAS. That is just being interested in more than 10 different sounds, which is pretty normal. “You should understand that - yes the Helix does allow you to create a signal chain with up to 32 blocks that can be assigned however you wish - the trick is to use then with a modicum of common sense and plan how you intend to deploy these effects. “ As I stated before, some of us aren’t interested in planning how to use our gear in the future, we just want to use our gear. Like how physical pedalboards have been working the last 50 years.

No, I'm not here to convince the Line6 team of anything, I just want to understand the product I just bought :) I'm new to the forum but I can't really be the first person to wonder about this/want this feature? Right? (I'm gonna check out Ideascale and leave a comment there)

Yeah, I've thought of this. I'm gonna try this and play around with the snapshot feature as well. At least now I know that what I want the Helix to do can't be done. This is not the end of the world, I will figure something out :) I have my eyes on a Custom Audio Electronics midi controller but maybe the presets/snapshots will work out in the end. Thanks guys for your replies!

"If it's really that simple, why does it not exist?". Well… that’s not an argument for anything. Some companies just make weird and insane design/software choices. It is 2022 and Apple still do not let iPhone users change icons on the phone (unless you do it with Shortcuts and get that awful shortcut banner popping up all the time ruining the experience). That decision has annoyed hundreds of millions of iPhone users throughout the years. Can it be dealt with? Yes. They choose not to. Since I know nothing about the science behind pedals and signal flow I was just wondering if this was a strange software choice to not include a bank up/down with more stomp boxes or if there’s a logical reason for it not being there. If you’re a guitarist interested in pedals, wanting more than 10 is not that strange. But once again, I really do not understand how the Helix allows me to build a signal chain with 11 effects but there is a limit of 10 being assignable to footswitches. How can it be impossible for the team to let me change to a new bank to access effect #11?

I get the feeling that you think the "old school linear way" is a bad approach? You could use the technology from the Helix and fly to the moon, but not all players are going to use all of the features of the Helix. Not all people switch amps between songs and have a problem with tap dancing because of the need of 9 effects on at once. I bought the Helix for the quality of the effects and the sounds. But I still want to keep it extremely simple. I found an amplifier and a cab I like. I'm just gonna use that one, no need for different presets. I found 15-20 effects I love and I'm sticking to them, not gonna touch the other 700 effects again. I simply just want to access those 15-20 different effects in the most basic way possible - pressing a footswitch on and off. I just want the freedom to combine 2-5 effects in the moment (not pre-planned). And I'm still kind of baffled that the Helix can do so many complex things but not what a basic pedalboard with over 10 stomp boxes can do. I can add a midi controller to the Helix and that would solve my problem. But a simple second and third page of stomp boxes to go beyond 10 seems like a no brainer. But yeah, it might be a latency issue.

Thanks, I will look into this, seem like this is the solution to what I want.

I love the sounds I get out of the Helix but I obviously didn't know what I was buying. Seems like the Helix is perfect when playing pre-planned gigs with songs, that's not what I am interested in right now. I just wanted a pedalboard for recording/writing. To turn my favourite effects on/off on the fly and combine them in any order I wan't. When doing this in the studio tap dancing is not an issue so I don't need to turn on 5 effects with one footswitch. This might be a really stupid question, but is it possible to connect a Line6 Helix Controller (designed for the Helix Rack) with the Helix Floor? I simply just want more footswitches for effects.

I just want to know how to unit works (that's why I ask you guys who know the product better than I do) so your response is very helpful. Thanks. Doesn't really matter why it is designed that way. I just found it confusing when my memory of playing multi effects has been just banks and banks of effects to choose from.

No no, I don't want to use them simultaneously, I just want to have the option to turn any of them on like a pedalboard with individual pedals. Imagine that I want a pedalboard with this: 1. Tubescreamer 2. Metal distortion 3. Fuzz 4. Octave fuzz 5. Delay 1 6. Delay 2 7. Delay 3 8. Delay 4 9. Reverb 1 10. Reverb 2 11. Uni-Vibe 12. Rotary 13. Chorus 14. Phaser 15. Tremolo 16. Pitch 1 octave up 17. Pitch 1 octave down 18. Harmony 3rd I want to be able to turn on/off any effect I like in any order on the fly. So on the Helix this is impossible? I have to choose between 10 effects and that's it?

Okay, hmm. I understand that it is by design by the team at Line6, but... why? It seems kind of strange to sell an expensive effects unit with hundreds of effects and only let you get on/off control of 10 effects. So I can assign 11 effects to be turned on all at once by the press off one single footswitch, but I can't have 11 effects to choose from and turn them on by myself? I can only have a selection of 10? Why did Line 6 not include a bank up/bank down for a second/third page of effects?

Hi, I have the Helix Floor Unit. This might be a stupid question but I really can’t figure this one out and it is driving me nuts. Is it only possible to access 10 stomp boxes within a preset? I have built a signal chain with 24 stomp box effects. I simply just want to toggle between these, just like having a pedalboard with 24 individual pedals. I know that footswitch #6 has to be EDIT and footswitch #12 has to be TAP. And footswitch #1 and #7 is UP and DOWN. Fine, that leaves me 8 footswitches in the middle for effects. If I want to add another 8 + 8 effects for a total of 24, how do I toggle between effects 1-8 , 9-16 and 17-24? The UP and DOWN only toggles between snapshots, presets and "bank" (which just toggles between presets again on my unit). /Pete