Appreciate and it did help. So with the FRFR was complete pilot error...had turned one input up but plugged into other haha...when I did it right the volume was impressive. Like REALLY REALLY loud. Was awesome!
And the preamps I was using with my Marshall FX loop were really low gain so I guess the output is really low. Does not sound bad to my ears with a power amp model added and that reached volumes that seemed closer to what I was expecting.
No 4cm just running through effects return with main out.
I am surprised however that using some of the more gainy preamps are not even close to how loud my amp is on its own. I know loud is subjective but so far anything from the HX is considerably less loud than amp running by itself. Is that just the nature of the digital beast?
Having said that I will probably just stick with The FRFR sounds great to me. Do not get why people hate on them so much
Thanks for your time dude! -Bill