ok guys problem solved, thanks Brazzy for the link, I was pressing the looper arrow whilst powering on to try and reset it instead of the toggle left arrow, what a plonker I am got myself into a right 2 & 8 was spitting feathers by the time I went to bed last night but this morning after reading the members reply to my dilemma I managed to do the correct procedure and hey presto its working again, so I consider myself severely reprimanded and will spend the next two nights in the garden shed by way of punishment, of course I might take my guitar, Pod HD and headphones with me so that my period of incarceration will not be entirely wasted. Of course I would like to thank all of the members on this forum who kindly tried to help me with their advice.......