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I have recently bought some Behring B210D active PA speakers as I wanted a Full Range stereo speaker setup that was affordable and portable. They fitted the bill. However - it has taken me days to tweak settings to get a decent sound from my HD500 through the B210Ds. So, I thought I would share my settings on this forum just in case anyone else has a similar setup in the hope that it may save them many hours of effort trying to get a good sound. The settings below are for home practice level - the bass and treble settings may need to be lowered further when use at rehearsal or gig volume levels. Also I am only using one speaker in this setup and using a mono-configuration just to get the sound right. You can of course use two speakers and configure in stereo if you prefer. And you can use a different mixer and adjust my suggested settings for the mixer accordingly. HD500 settings Global Output set to Studio/Direct Individual patch levels: Mixer levels set near to 0db - maybe +1 to +2db for clean amps and -1 to -2db for overdrive amps and for acoustic maybe as high as +8db Channel/amp volume set plus or minus 5% of it's default setting - try to avoid pushing this up as it can easily lead to internal clipping Master Volume set to MAX The L+R xlr outputs from HD500 are connected via a Y lead to one of the Xenyx 802 mic inputs. (You can choose to use separate leads and use both mic channels on the mixer if you prefer - but remember to have controls on both channels set the same and pan them L and R if you want the stereo separation) Xenyx 802 mic channel settings Trim control set to 9 o'clock to give a little bit of boost and warmth using it's onboard channel pre-amp High EQ (12kHz) control set to 10 o'clock , cutting the high end by an extra few db's. Mid and Low EQ's remain at 12 o'clock Channel volume control at 12 o'clock (0db) Master volume control at 12 o'clock (0db) or 1 o'clock if you like a it more volume at home Master L+R out connected via Y lead to jack to XLR converter and then XLR to B210D input (you can just use jack to jack and choose to only have L or R output, but the I would ensure input channel is panned completely to the side that you choose to ensure you get full signal) B210D settings Master Volume control set at 9 o'clock High EQ set to 7 o'clock (yes - that is almost all the way back to -15db!) Low EQ set to just between 7 and 8 o'clock. (yes - that is almost all the way back to -15db!) RESULTS I have found the above settings have given me decent results at home practice level. Nice acoustic sounds, nice clean amp sounds and nice overdriven sounds. Remember LOW and HIGHS may very well need to be reduced further for rehearsal or gig volume levels as we over compensate these at low volume levels. EDITED 8Nov13 *** NB: The above settings and results were arrived at with the B210D speaker on the floor. When I placed the B210D on a PA speaker stand at head height, these settings were all wrong! I had to readjust as follows (other settings not explicitly mentioned remained the same): HD500 patch settings: I adjusted LOW CUT on amp/speaker DEP's to 50HZ I adjusted THUMP to taste - all patches moved up in value - most back to default 50% - some only to 30 or 40% I adjusted SAG, BIAS and BIAS EXCURSION to taste - many times moving back to default values of 50% Some patches I also adjusted amp bass/mid/treble controls slightly. For my acoustic model patch, I no longer needed the graphic and parametric EQ's that I had used before. Xenyx 802 mic channel: High EQ (12khz) set to 12 o'clock Mid EQ (2.5khz) set to 9 o'clock Low EQ (80hz) set to 12 o'clock B210D: High EQ set to 9 o'clock Low EQ set to 12 o'clock EDITED 8Nov13 *** END *** EDITED 19Nov13 *** START *** NB: OK - update on earlier posts - I have finally discovered what I have been doing wrong thanks to Lorenzo (user id: perapera) and his extremely informative posts on signal routing in the HD500 and differences between balanced and unbalanced outputs. HD500 Connections: JTV59 with VDI to VARIAX input 1/4 inch jack cable from L/MONO output on HD500 to mic channel input on mixer. (This ensures I capture both L+R outputs correctly summed to MONO - NB: DO NOT USE A Y CABLE EXTERNALLY to SUM HD500 L+R outputs - either balanced or unbalanced). HD500 Settings: Global output set to Studio/Direct Set switch for 1/4inch outputs on front of HD500 to LINE (not AMP!!) HD500 Patch Settings: Ensure MIXER outputs are panned as per defaults which is 100% L and 100% R (knobs 3 and 4 on the display) NB: This ensures signal levels are NOT doubled up! Values of 0% (center pan) will double the signal level at this point! Xenyx 802 connections: MASTER "L" out jack to jack input of B210D Xenyx 802 mic channel: Trim control set to 9'oclock High EQ (12khz) set to just past 10 o'clock Mid EQ (2.5khz) set to 11 o'clock Low EQ (80hz) set to 12 o'clock Pan set to full "L" - 7 o'clock Channel Level set to 0 db- 12 o'clock Master Level set to 0 db - 12 o'clock B210D: Level set to 9 o'clock High EQ set to 12 o'clock Low EQ set to 12 o'clock EDITED 19Nov13 *** END *** STILL NOT HAPPY WITH SOUND? Further tweaking may be required on the HD500 patch in the Amp Deep Editing parameters if you find the results overly boomy or harsh sounding even after tweaking the LOW and HIGH EQs a little to taste. (NB: just a little movement in the B210D EQ's settings, eg: +1db, can have quite a dramatic effect on the HD500 sound). I have found many useful tips in this forum and from reading MEAMBOBBO's POD HD guide - and also Sean Halley's excellent Line6 BLOG video on SAG, BIAS and BIAS EXCURSION so many thanks to all of those who have shared their advice on this forum. From that background research, I found that adjusting the following AMP DEP's further refined the sound of the HD500 models through the B210D speaker: SAG: Default 50% but reducing to about 35% for distorted tones "stiffens" response (but harsher sounding) and increasing it makes it more appear more compressed (but softer sounding)- adjust to taste BIAS: Default 50% - but experiment with this to see how it affects the sound - it can make the highs really stand out and soften the honky middle - adjust to taste BIAS EXCURSION: Default 50% - but experiment with this to see how it affects the sounds - it can make the highs really stand out and soften the honky middle - adjust to taste ER: Default is about 12% but reduce this to 0% and add necessary reverb to taste with a reverb effect model. LOW CUT: Default is 20K allowing very low bass through - so increase to taste if you need to remove low end boom RESONANCE LEVEL: Default is 50% but moving up to 55-60% for over driven amps helps smooth out tone, and moving down to 40-45% or lower helps make clean amps sound really crisp THUMP: Default is 50% but if low end is over powering then try lowering 5% at a time to reduce the low end. NB: Lowering this too far can make the amp sound very thin. I found I need this at a reasonable level to maintain the meatiness and warmth of the amp tone. I hope this is helpful, allowing others to get good results quickly and hopefully saving hours of tweaking!