guilhordas Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I am professional musician and do at least 3 gigs a week, my setup is Variax JTV 69/pod HD500 / PA (direct)After two years using this setup, my conclusion is that there really is a big difference between running the pod usb and run straight into a PA, it is much easier to get good sound running via usb, run straight in PA is much more difficult, depends on many variables, and to this day I suffer to get a good tone direct sound in PA, mainly in the drives. Now via usb is very easy to get good tones I would like to know the opinion of your friends about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 you mean that we should only use EQ if necessary too? it is? sorry , im from brasil and my english is not very good, I use most often 421 mic and 4x12 or 4x12 cab higway 25 greenback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 the sound technicians often say that my tone tends to get a bit treble and brilhant in PA, but I do not exaggeration in any frequency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 already heard that using the VDI cable increases the treble in tones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 Dou you use pod direct to pa too? Whats yours experiences about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gessinger10 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 yes, I go direct to pa but I use also a roland keyboard amp as a monitor behind me to get the feel of a real standard guitar amp moving air close to me, and also when I want the feedback effect from the amp for very long sustained notes I can get it easily moving myself accordingly I like the results and the audience also appreciates the sounds sometimes depending on the acoustics of the place where I am, if I have enough time to do it, I change some settings (eg some EQing, less reverb or nothing at all, maybe a different mic or cab/mic, etc. etc.) in my patches and I save them in a different bank or setlist.. Hello, could post patches (clean, crunch and HighGain) that you use directly in PA? Use the HD500 ha two years, but sometimes I have trouble getting good tones in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gessinger10 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 is in my plans to upload some patches in the future, but for now I'd rather not over here I have heard good things about the patches created by meambobbo give a look here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/patchDemo.php I know meambobbo, but because you do not want to share their patches? I'm from Brazil and would like to exchange experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 Im from btazil too, thanks for all, i wil be post my patchs here, clean , crunch and solo, and you tell me what you think about it, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 how do I attach to my paychs here? I'm not having success, I click my average, but I can not attach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 Error You aren't permitted to upload this kind of file , why shows that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 These are my 4 main patches that I use, but the principals is clean and crunch, see what you guys think of them., thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 In fx loop I use 2 stomboxes(TS9 and Riot suhr ) did the ptachs sound good to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 what you think of the settings I use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 but despite the fx loop is active, I almost never use the stompoxes, I use clean most of the time, so I believe are not stomboxes in fx loop that make my sound treble or brilhant , when you leave the fx loop off do you think that changes the sound a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 tomorrow I will do the test take off the fx loop of the chain to see if it really changes the sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 I use studio direct. actually running the pod in direct pa is not even an easy task, every gig is a way, each PA reacts in a way. as the fx loop, I let him active and when needed, I press the stomboxes I wish that moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Thnks good night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 I did the test, I took the fx loop chain, I noticed that the noise level decreases enough but the tone does not change, what other way would you consider to me connect my stomboxes?, remembering that I use the cable vdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question. I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright. It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM worked the best using the power amp of the amp. Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. I hope you get it sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question. I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright. It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM worked the best using the power amp of the amp. Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. I hope you get it sorted I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question. I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright. It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM worked the best using the power amp of the amp. Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. I hope you get it sorted but I do not use amp, I always run (XLR cable) direct to mixer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 ah sorry, I think I get it now, you mean to use standard cables pod to the mixer can be the solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question. I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright. It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM worked the best using the power amp of the amp. Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. I hope you get it sorted you mean to use a standard cable instead xlr or you say conect in insert of mixer instead in of mixer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gessinger10 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 These are my 4 main patches that I use, but the principals is clean and crunch, see what you guys think of them., thanks Tested their patches crunch and solo yesterday, and I could actually sent them a little treble. Have to have in mind that PA enhances what we heard in the headphones, so the bass and treble frequencies are more apparent in PA. I'll post the same patches using an EQ to cut these frequencies and put you to test in PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Tested their patches crunch and solo yesterday, and I could actually sent them a little treble. Have to have in mind that PA enhances what we heard in the headphones, so the bass and treble frequencies are more apparent in PA. I'll post the same patches using an EQ to cut these frequencies and put you to test in PA. but you notice I did not exaggerating in any frequency? I actually do not use phone to create patches, and then confer in PA . I have a fender passport at home and create it. I'm waiting then the patches, and what you think of the patch acoustic and clean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gessinger10 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 but you notice I did not exaggerating in any frequency? I actually do not use phone to create patches, and then confer in PA . I have a fender passport at home and create it. I'm waiting then the patches, and what you think of the patch acoustic and clean? Actually I thought it has some undesirable frequencies (treble and bass) through the headphones, will try to put an EQ to compensate. Not tested the acoustic, as used Les Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Actually I thought it has some undesirable frequencies (treble and bass) through the headphones, will try to put an EQ to compensate. Not tested the acoustic, as used Les Paul. Did you try in some PA? cause PA and phone are quite different, I do not use the phone. I'm waiting then the patches thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gessinger10 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Did you try in some PA? cause PA and phone are quite different, I do not use the phone. I'm waiting then the patches thanks Do not PA test, but if the headphone is left some frequencies, the tendency is to be expanded into a PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guilhordas Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 I see,already a well decreases the treble and presence now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjnette Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Okay, reply to my last post, Ideally the best gain staging is the earlier the item is in the chain the higher the gain should be. As you go down the chain the next item uses the least amount of gain possible otherwise by increasing the gain of the secondary pre amp to magnify the noise in the first preamp plus the noise in the later stages changes the tone. It can also exaggerate (by resonance in the circuit) certain frequencies in the treble. That is one possible explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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