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I am professional musician and do at least 3 gigs a week, my setup is Variax JTV 69/pod HD500 / PA (direct)
After two years using this setup, my conclusion is that there really is a big difference between running the pod usb and run straight into a PA, it is much easier to get good sound running via usb, run straight in PA is much more difficult, depends on many variables, and to this day I suffer to get a good tone direct sound in PA, mainly in the drives. Now via usb is very easy to get good tones

 

I would like to know the opinion of your friends about it

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yes, I go direct to pa but I use also a roland keyboard amp as a monitor behind me to get the feel of a real standard guitar amp moving air close to me, and also when I want the feedback effect from the amp for very long sustained notes I can get it easily moving myself accordingly

I like the results and the audience also appreciates the sounds

 

sometimes depending on the acoustics of the place where I am, if I have enough time to do it, I change some settings (eg some EQing, less reverb or nothing at all, maybe a different mic or cab/mic, etc. etc.) in my patches and I save them in a different bank or setlist..

Hello, could post patches (clean, crunch and HighGain) that you use directly in PA? Use the HD500 ha two years, but sometimes I have trouble getting good tones in PA

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is in my plans to upload some patches in the future, but for now I'd rather not

 

over here I have heard good things about the patches created by meambobbo

give a look here: http://foobazaar.com/podhd/toneGuide/patchDemo.php

I know meambobbo, but because you do not want to share their patches? I'm from Brazil and would like to exchange experiences.

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but despite the fx loop is active, I almost never use the stompoxes, I use clean most of the time, so I believe are not stomboxes in fx loop that make my sound treble or brilhant , when you leave the fx loop off do you think that changes the sound a lot?

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I use studio direct. actually running the pod in direct pa is not even an easy task, every gig is a way, each PA reacts in a way. as the fx loop, I let him active and when needed, I press the stomboxes I wish that moment

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I did the test, I took the fx loop chain, I noticed that the noise level decreases enough but the tone does not change, what other way would you consider to me connect my stomboxes?, remembering that I use the cable vdi

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I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question.

I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright.

It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into  a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM

worked the best using the power amp of the amp.

 

Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. 

 

I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. 

 

I hope you get it sorted

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I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question.

I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright.

It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into  a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM

worked the best using the power amp of the amp.

 

Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. 

 

I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. 

 

I hope you get it sorted

I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question.

I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright.

It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into  a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM

worked the best using the power amp of the amp.

 

Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. 

 

I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. 

 

I hope you get it sorted

but I do not use amp, I always run (XLR cable) direct to mixer.

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I'll check out the patches but thought I could help answer your question.

I too have noticed that thru different PAs the tone sometimes was over bright.

It wasn't until I experienced the same brightness into  a Tube amp that I realized that the 4CM

worked the best using the power amp of the amp.

 

Sure enough, this worked out with going into a PA. The best is to go into the an insert receive on a mix board and not thru another preamp and then a summing amp into the PA amp. 

 

I have not run mic cables from he HD500 XLR outs and this may be the solution. If you are and it is still too bright, the only other thing to check is the toggle switches on the HD. 

 

I hope you get it sorted

you mean  to use a standard cable instead xlr or you say conect in insert of mixer instead in of mixer?

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These are my 4 main patches that I use, but  the principals is clean and crunch, see what you guys think of them., thanks

Tested their patches crunch and solo yesterday, and I could actually sent them a little treble. Have to have in mind that PA enhances what we heard in the headphones, so the bass and treble frequencies are more apparent in PA. I'll post the same patches using an EQ to cut these frequencies and put you to test in PA.

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Tested their patches crunch and solo yesterday, and I could actually sent them a little treble. Have to have in mind that PA enhances what we heard in the headphones, so the bass and treble frequencies are more apparent in PA. I'll post the same patches using an EQ to cut these frequencies and put you to test in PA.

but you notice I did not exaggerating in any frequency? I actually do not use phone to create patches, and then confer in PA  . I have a fender passport at home and create it. I'm waiting then the patches, and what you think of the patch acoustic and clean?

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but you notice I did not exaggerating in any frequency? I actually do not use phone to create patches, and then confer in PA  . I have a fender passport at home and create it. I'm waiting then the patches, and what you think of the patch acoustic and clean?

Actually I thought it has some undesirable frequencies (treble and bass) through the headphones, will try to put an EQ to compensate. Not tested the acoustic, as used Les Paul.

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Actually I thought it has some undesirable frequencies (treble and bass) through the headphones, will try to put an EQ to compensate. Not tested the acoustic, as used Les Paul.

 

Did you try in some PA? cause PA and phone are quite different, I do not use the phone. I'm waiting then the patches thanks

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Okay, reply to my last post,

Ideally the best gain staging is the earlier the item is in the chain the higher the gain should be.

 

As you go down the chain the next item uses the least amount of gain possible otherwise by increasing the gain of the secondary pre amp to magnify the noise in the first preamp plus the noise in the later stages changes the tone.

 

It can also exaggerate (by resonance in the circuit) certain frequencies in the treble.

 

That is one possible explanation

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