Stomp & drive pedals

[Mogwai74]

Putting a board together with a stomp and a couple drive pedals and I’m curious to see what everyone’s suggestions are, before the stomp or in the stomps loop?

I’ll likely be running a Plumes, Hizumitas, and a MIAB… possibly a stone deaf PDX 1x as well.

Looking for overall suggestions and experiences.

[toddkc]

On 11/2/2022 at 8:47 PM, Mogwai74 said:

Putting a board together with a stomp and a couple drive pedals and I’m curious to see what everyone’s suggestions are, before the stomp or in the stomps loop?

I’ll likely be running a Plumes, Hizumitas, and a MIAB… possibly a stone deaf PDX 1x as well.

Looking for overall suggestions and experiences.

That seems like a very personal preference thing to me.  Depends on if you want the stop to be another "pedal" on your board, or the brain?  With my helix floor I have external pedals in their own loops so I can toggle them with presets/snapshots and keep all my stepping on the helix itself.  So that is what I would suggest.  But if you have, for example, a boost that you always have on, that may as well just go before the stomp?  

[Mogwai74]

On 11/3/2022 at 9:45 AM, toddkc said:

That seems like a very personal preference thing to me.  Depends on if you want the stop to be another "pedal" on your board, or the brain?  With my helix floor I have external pedals in their own loops so I can toggle them with presets/snapshots and keep all my stepping on the helix itself.  So that is what I would suggest.  But if you have, for example, a boost that you always have on, that may as well just go before the stomp?  

Thank you.

I suppose my main concern is with the feel and behavior of drive pedals in the loop vs out front.

Any feedback on that specifically?

I have started to tinker with the input impedance on the stomp recently, I’m not sure if that will have any affect on the outcome.

[toddkc]

On 11/3/2022 at 8:52 AM, Mogwai74 said:

Thank you.

I suppose my main concern is with the feel and behavior of drive pedals in the loop vs out front.

Any feedback on that specifically?

I have started to tinker with the input impedance on the stomp recently, I’m not sure if that will have any affect on the outcome.

I gotcha, that is a good question.  I haven't actually used an external drive pedal, and even then I wouldn't be sure I could say the helix and stomp would work the same.  Hopefully someone with some actual experience can chime in.  

[ricstudioc]

Only have a Floor, so take this with that caveat.  And I'm not absolute sure on this, so won't feel bad if someone corrects me.

 

As I recall, the main input on the floor is true analog - as such it reacts to/with the impedance loading of your pickups prior to going to digital.  Send/returns are DAC reliant, basically digital all the way, and so not as responsive to impedance.  This could make a significant difference in how an OD pedal responds - there was a near-civil-war on this point regarding at least one of the OD models in the Helix which ultimately resulted in the "first active effect" option being added regarding input impedance.

 

Best suggestion - try it both ways, recording the results of each.  Roll the guitar volume up/down and such while doing this.  Then walk away for a while, come back and really listen - deep - to the results.  Make your decision based on that.