efjbdejong Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 So I have a question about the routing options in the HXFX I want to run it alongside my bluguitar Amp1 in 4cm. 1 Loop is already taken that way. Since I play stereo , I need stereo IR output and stereo normal output (no IR). I need those at the same time.... Is this possible within the HXFX? DutchGuitarDude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 On 11/13/2023 at 7:33 AM, efjbdejong said: Is this possible within the HXFX? No. Full-fat Helix (floor or rack, not LT), but not HXFX/HXS/HXSXL). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efjbdejong Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/13/2023 at 5:56 PM, MGW-Alberta said: If I am understanding you correctly you have a device (Amp1) that has a single mono output but you want three stereo outputs for a total of six discreet outputs. Or is it five? I am trying to think and I don't even think I could do that with my Helix Floor. I am pretty sure a wet/dry/wet rig in 4CM with three outputs is probably about the most I could dream up. Even if I am mistaken and you really only want 4 I still do not see how that could be possible with an HX Effects and an Amp1 in 4CM. Even if you took 4CM and Amp1 out of the equation and were able to split a stereo output into two stereo outputs I don't know how you would be able to assign IRs to only one of them. I do not think what you ask is possible. I don't even think it is possible with my rig, let alone yours. the Amp1 is just an amp. What I have now is a boss ms3 in stereo. So left out of the ms3 goes back in to the poweramp of the amp1. the speaker out from the amp goes to a left side IR box, which has a thru for the guitarspeaker. The right side of the boss goes to an IR box, with a thru which goes to a powered guitar cab. I basically want to get rid of the IR boxes with the HXFX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efjbdejong Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/13/2023 at 6:30 PM, rd2rk said: No. Full-fat Helix (floor or rack, not LT), but not HXFX/HXS/HXSXL). So basically the full Helix can have 2 IR outputs and 2 regular outputs available at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd2rk Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:42 AM, efjbdejong said: So basically the full Helix can have 2 IR outputs and 2 regular outputs available at the same time? Helix has 2 XLR Main Outs (dual mono or stereo) and 2 1/4" Main Outs (dual mono or stereo) There are 4 FX Loops, so 4 mono ins/outs that can combined into 2 stereo ins/outs and placed anywhere in the signal chain. You can have 4 separate (dual mono or stereo) signal chains with independent Ins/Outs. Example: Path 1A - Guitar Input (electric)>Send/Return1 - 4cm to/from guitar amp In/Send>Send2 Guitar amp Return>XLR (L) to FOH with IR Path 1B - Aux In (synth?)>Send3 to powered monitor>XLR (R) to FOH Path 2A - Mic In>1/4" Out (L)>DI box>FOH Path 2B - Acoustic guitar>Return (2/3/4?)>Send4 to Acoustic amp>1/4" Out (R) with IR>DI Box>FOH Keeping in mind that each main Path uses one of the processors, there could be DSP issues depending on the FX you use in each path. The attached screenshot shows one possibility for how this might work. Fill in the blanks with FX up to DSP limits. The MIC path (2A) has a Tube Preamp. The Acoustic path (2B) has an acoustic amp sim (the EQ Block). You could use this if your stage amp is a powered monitor vs actual acoustic amp, or you could move it past the SEND to combine with the IR to FOH. Or use the Tube Preamp as in the MIC path. Each independent SEND has a "Dry Thru" parameter that allows the signal to go out both the SEND jack and the Main Output. The Output configuration for Path 1A is pictured to show how panning is used to split the XLR/1/4" Outputs. Again, this is only one possible configuration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efjbdejong Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 5:56 PM, rd2rk said: Helix has 2 XLR Main Outs (dual mono or stereo) and 2 1/4" Main Outs (dual mono or stereo) There are 4 FX Loops, so 4 mono ins/outs that can combined into 2 stereo ins/outs and placed anywhere in the signal chain. You can have 4 separate (dual mono or stereo) signal chains with independent Ins/Outs. Example: Path 1A - Guitar Input (electric)>Send/Return1 - 4cm to/from guitar amp In/Send>Send2 Guitar amp Return>XLR (L) to FOH with IR Path 1B - Aux In (synth?)>Send3 to powered monitor>XLR (R) to FOH Path 2A - Mic In>1/4" Out (L)>DI box>FOH Path 2B - Acoustic guitar>Return (2/3/4?)>Send4 to Acoustic amp>1/4" Out (R) with IR>DI Box>FOH Keeping in mind that each main Path uses one of the processors, there could be DSP issues depending on the FX you use in each path. The attached screenshot shows one possibility for how this might work. Fill in the blanks with FX up to DSP limits. The MIC path (2A) has a Tube Preamp. The Acoustic path (2B) has an acoustic amp sim (the EQ Block). You could use this if your stage amp is a powered monitor vs actual acoustic amp, or you could move it past the SEND to combine with the IR to FOH. Or use the Tube Preamp as in the MIC path. Each independent SEND has a "Dry Thru" parameter that allows the signal to go out both the SEND jack and the Main Output. The Output configuration for Path 1A is pictured to show how panning is used to split the XLR/1/4" Outputs. Again, this is only one possible configuration. Thank you for your clear and in-depth explanation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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