A cheat sheet, FW 3.80 - Amps, Cab's and Effects...

[PerS]

Hi
So, I have updated my cheat sheet (pdf-version) and for you who are interested just download it from the link below (from my Dropbox). All the new amp’s, cab’s and effects are in there, marked with a red “N”, incl DSP and some other additional info. Legacy devices are marked with a red “L”. All are sorted in order of appearance on the unit, in their respective group. 

 

DSP-values for the new products are from me, but I have used the same method as Ben Vesco has used, published, and described very well on his great site (unfortunately not updated). If anyone has found a value that differs from mine, please let me know. There is a slight difference depending on which blocks are used when trying out the numbers. I have used blocks from Ben’s “reference material” to minimize errors and to get continuity. I have used two different setups and if those have a variation bigger than 0,5 (in relative %) I have used a third setup. Think it’s hard to get any closer. “Last device” is always at least one volume pedal at the end, in mono (0,47%) and/or in stereo (0,61%), what’s ever slips in :-), so that would be the tolerance... All devices are in preamp/full amp (cab’s are not incl, presented separate, but as default cab’s incl DSP, are in the sheet with the amp’s), stereo/mono, single/dual etc. where applicable.

 

In an earlier version I did also publish the cheat sheet in a MS Excel 365 format, a DSP calculator. I will make that update but need some more time to finish it (want to play some guitar too…). 

 

Download the cheat sheet from my Dropbox (pdf-format) – https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8vsyuiehgd6ofjryw6g9q/Line6-Helix-Model-and-DSP-Summary-3-70.pdf?rlkey=k3yyscizqbi1z80ozmo6gsihi&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3ye2g1okvx18ypsww746w/Line6-Helix-Model-and-DSP-Summary-3.80.pdf?rlkey=8ygh0iqax8ewds0i3yn0nxc86&dl=0

 

Great update Line6, very impressive work. Thought I had all I needed before this update, but was I wrong, there were a few more I didn’t know about, eg. the US Dripman (!), some of the Catalyst amp’s, 2203 and the ODR-1, wow :-)

 

Have fun (I will…)!
//Per
 

Edited November 21 by PerS
Updated download link to FW 3.80

[ROCKOFF]

Thanks for this.

[brucepride]

Thanks and I could get lost for months experimenting with all of these amps....

[PerS]

Thanks brucepride

Yes, agree. it’s easy to do that, so many combinations... I found this video, could be a method to audition amps and get starting point to find the basic tone (it’s an old video, but the methos is usable). That and to try a different cab. - 

 

 

 

And its quite funny… He is so tired of people saying that modelers can’t emulate real amps and he shows they can in such a simple way :-). Not the whole truth, but still a good demo that they can. And to get fine a starting point.

 

Good lock on your journey, it’s fun one  

//Per
 

[jubuttib]

Hello PerS! Thought I'd ask if you could consider adding a field for DT amp settings to your cheat sheet for those of us using Helix and DT together.

 

One of the issues with Helix in this use is that by default none of the amp models have the operation mode, voicing or the pentode/triode selection set, so you're not getting the intended sound out of them when switching on the Helix.

 

We can't of course get the "right" settings for each amp that easily, since the POD HD500 and Helix amp selections are a bit different, but even just adding the ones that overlap would be nice.

 

[PerS]

Hi jubuttib
Interesting, I can see the need… Lets see if we can find a way. I be honest from the start, there is not that much space left to add additional data/columns. One way could be to make a smaller font, but I think we are on the limit as is. A smaller font will make the document in this format hard to read. With that said, I must find a way to add more info as there is info that I would like to add too, and I would like to have a comment field… There will probably be a few more updates from Line6 with more interesting amps/cabs/effects. Some features would be nice to add, eg last update added some new L6 Original amps and they had integrated boost, that type of info would be interesting to have in the document. 
So, a few questions to get my head around the this 

1. I tried to import your table into Excel from included image. I can import it, but the “translation” is very poor. It looks like your info is in an Excel sheet, could you export the same info but as a pdf file (Not sure an Excel-file can be uploaded to the forum by security reasons, if it can that’s even better)? 
2. If I make a column for this, I probably need to combine the info into one column, like the DSP info, column “DSP (%, no cab)” that translate to the DSP in percent from preamp/ full amp without cab. Same for the Cab’s, Singel/Dual.
   The analogy then would be “Class/Top/Mode” e.g. “AB/1/Pen” or “A/2/Tri”… etc. Could that work?
3. Is it OK if the HD500-info is not included in the document?
4. A hypothetical question – I’m thinking of changing the format of this document from pdf to Excel (the “master” is already in Excel, it will only change the presentation and make it a bit more flexible…). I only made the pdf as Excel was not an option on my old Android Tablet, not a problem anymore. Would it be a disadvantage to get the Summery in Excel only? Disadvantage is you need Excel on your device or in the cloud. 

In my “master Excel” for the Helix Summery I actually have two more sheets, one for my Variax 500 that documents all the standard guitars and my own Custom settings and my Power Cab+ that list built in speaker simulations and mick’s for the XLR out. I will probably add a table to document what IR’s are loaded and in what position (separate document today)(as L6 forgot to supply that info, just the position..., together with some other info, in the integration to HxEdit, as they did with with your DT-info… :-). Maybe we could do a similar table for the DT info, think about it and let me know. 

 

To long reply... sorry

//Per 
 

[mtnman82]

This cheat sheet is awesomeness!!!  Hoping you'll add the 3.80 firmware updates when you have a chance :) 

[PerS]

Hi mtnman82

Thanks for the kind comment
Yes, it will be updated. I upgraded my Helix LT today (no issues, done in less than 30 minutes including factory reset, restore backup and rebuild presets, so smooth…) and have added all the new stuff to my Excel template except the DSP’s, they will be tested and updated in the next days. Probably finished and published before this week is over. If the snowstorm hits us tomorrow, there is a warning issued, I might even have it ready tomorrow… :-). 

 

//Per
 

[PerS]

Below you find a link to the updated cheat sheet, now updated with the nice stuff brought to us in the Line 6 firmware 3.80-update. I have used Ben Vesco's method to calculate the relative DSP values. Technical info in the pdf that was not published by Line 6 has been explored through available info from manufacturers, forums and other "reliable" sources. If you find something wrong/strange don't hesitate to let me know.

 

Download the cheat sheet from my Dropbox (pdf-format) – https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3ye2g1okvx18ypsww746w/Line6-Helix-Model-and-DSP-Summary-3.80.pdf?rlkey=8ygh0iqax8ewds0i3yn0nxc86&dl=0 

 

Some of you have used my DSP calculation tool in Microsoft Excel. I have decided to put this tool on hold for now. The reason is that I found myself making the calculation I need from this pdf-document, quicker and more "on the fly". I had some other ideas to include too, but that will be later...

 

Hope you find it useful. And Line6, I have left space for at least 30 more amps, cabs and effects in future updates... :-)     

/Per
 

[dgtr890]

Thank You so much.

[mtnman82]

Cannot thank you enough PerS!!!