FRFR 12" vs Bose L1 Model 2

[Propower]

I've had the regular helix for many years I could never really program a good sound out of my Bose L1 with a model amp versus my Fillmore 25 head into a Jensen 12 inch Neo speaker. Now I have the Helix Stadium and I'm trying to program it to go into my Bose L1 model two. Besides the huge volume jumps in between the Amp models, which makes it extra hard. I'm still having no good result getting a nice warm, pretty clean, thick, basic tone using either a neck humbucker or a neck single coil on my pair of Strandberg guitars (mostly working with fender, Princeton, and twin models). Any advice on how to do better with my Bose L1 or opinions as to whether a dedicated FRFR 12 inch would make a difference. I suppose I also have the option of using a very clean lightweight amp like the Seymour Duncan power stage into my existing Jensen cabinet. I should add that I'm seriously challenged to keep things very light in weight. This is the main reason I haven't just gone for one of the fender FRFR cabinets. Each of the pieces I have are seriously 15 pounds or less. Thanks.

 

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[sirhc]

If you are used to the cleans of your Fillmore and want that in the Stadium, you now have the option to clone your Fillmore.

I'd really recommend that... If you can, use a load box and a cab model with Jensen speaker from the Stadium - with "normal" mic settings (e.g. some classic mic, 3 inch distance, somewhere in the middle between cone and edge - just put it there and leave it alone, do the rest with std EQ).

If you dont have a loadbox, second best option is the model of the preamp only (via send/return - stadium will help you through the process).

 

[waymda]

It sounds like you're comparing apples and oranges.

 

No FRFR (and I mean none) will sound the same as your amp through a guitar speaker direct to your ears. When modelling there is always a microphone between the amp/speaker and the reproduction system (then your ears).

 

So, unless you're mic'ing your amp into the B1s you, and the audience, are hearing a raw guitar amp/speaker sound.

 

To acheive a similar sound with a modeller you would use an amp model, into a power amp, into the speaker cab - no speaker model.

 

If you mic your amp/speaker and run it through the B1s as well as stage, you need to work out how that sound compliments the stage cab sound in the room and aim for that through the B1s, or the compromise that emulates that mix. The latter will be very tricky.

 

You might need to change your mindset about what you want/need to hear and accept the inherent compromise of ALL modelling.

 

As to the volume jumps between amp models - that's why the Helix/Stadium chain has a heap of post production tools like compressors and gain blocks to normalise the levels, and EQ to assist with getting common perceived volume. The analogy of modellors being amps and effects in a box is fundementally flawed, they are a studio in a box with guitar amps and effects and need to be treated like that.