theredguitar6

Ok ...done some more research, firstly it turns out - for some bizzare reason that the volume block in the presets is was using live -- was corrupted. something must have happened as i was setting up preset ONE - and then i used this as the basis to build two more - so the problem was copied across. After have set up some simple 'test' presets with one vol block and one amp - i found ( as had been mentioned) that the behaviour in front of the amp is indeed more like the guitar vol - and after the amp is more like a master vol. I then went back and deleted the vol block in my live presets , re installed the vol block and bingo - it worked completely differently -- as i would expect. Then went on to do further test and -- yes -- absolutely as @FlyingsCool says... the behaviour of vol blocks does vary considerably with different amps and pedals. Thanks for all the help . I think i'm sorted now! ....till the next problem !

Thanks for the replies. Just to clarify: I'm not trying to reduce the guitar volume into the amp - I'd always use the guitar for that. I want to have the ability to adjust output volume to power amp - thus giving me the necessary tool to either reduce or increase volume for solos and/or changes on stage. Just like ( those of us who are old enough) i did with my big stage racks --in the 80's?lol Anyway: My point is that when i place the vol block before ( in this case) a Teemah into fender tweed --- THAT vol block does not clean up the sound (like backing of guitar vol does) - it simply reduces the output- as though it were ( in real world) after the amp. However as PeterHamm kindly pointed out - the vol block does sound better AFTER the amp. It definitely affects tone. I'm going to build some new simple presets today and play around with positioning of the vol block. I'll report back Thanks for your help

i'm now 2 weeks into planet Helix and was brave (stupid) enough to gig it on Saturday. Small(ish) venue so i played chicken and took my normal 212cab and stereo tube power amp. Didn't risk it through the PA yet. I was surprisingly good and i'd created a couple of presets ( one for each guitar) based on similar amps/effects and similar snapshots. The only thing that didn't quite feel right was the volume pedal. I'm going to have another look at this but have the following question: I've seen some of you mention the position of the volume block works the same as in a traditional rig -i.e - if placed at the front of the chain it will reduce volume ( and therefore gain) into the amp block - or, if placed after the amp, the amp tones and gain will remain constant. I'm not finding this. I've placed my volume block number 2 in the chain - after the compressor but before wah and everything else. It works fine - but it works as a 'master' vol control not as some of have described. In a 'real world' scenario with vol pedal in front , it will work like the guitars vol .. so backing off is going to reduce input to the amp and 'clean up' by reducing gain. I'm ok with the result because i do actually want a 'master' vol pedal to balance things for different songs etc ....but i'm wondering if i should place it later in the chain? am i messing up the sound of the amp block with it in front and maybe set at 50%?? Thanks guys