Jump to content

AMountain

Members
  • Content Count

    30
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

2 Neutral

About AMountain

  • Rank
    Just Startin'

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. Thanks for the video. That's a correct information (in the video): That manner with the 16 Ohm for stage-speakers is from the early days of loud rock, i.e. the use of Marshall 100Watters and their cabs as PA: With the then often very long speaker-cables, for to avoid a significant loudness-loss, it was better to use 16 Ohm. When the same speaker-cab is used and only the wiring inside changed for to adjust the speaker-impedance to the amp's output-impedance (as done in the video), then it is logic that the shorter the cables between amp&speakercabs are, the less audible difference will be perceivable. And with really short cables, the difference should be minimal, subtle, and at this low volume like in the video (mostly around 100db, +/- 5db) surely only technically measurable, because it's mainly only a slightly different impulse-response that most not in the audio-matter schooled ears will even not realize (specially not at this "relative bedroom-level" for Plexis). 16 Ohm is only interesting when the cables are that long that their own impedance surpasses 1 to 2 Ohm and the volume shall be 120 db and louder (100W Plexi-level). In that loudness-area, the guitarrist will "feel" it the most (and 16 Ohm will turn out to feel - respond - better). But that was not the volume they used in the video for their test. 100 db a 1Watt-tubeamp can easily reach and the volume in the video did not pass the 105 db. A Plexi is still sleeping at that volume (as the Greenbacks too).... IMHO: Really, i do not buy a Plexi for to play it on 3 or 4 with the eq on ~5 +/- 2. (Surely not a general rule, but) It may well be that the lower the volume, the more agradable (more complete, organic, or 'together' as they say in the video) a less high impedance sounds - that will depend the single amp's as too the single speaker's characteristics (!) and too the of the pickups, the entire combination -: At that low volume, the impulse-resistance or -strength isn't really a predominant audio-factor. So it may for example well be that an amp like the in the video used Matchless-combi (4 Ohm pre-installed by the brand) sounds better this way as long it is not fully cranked and when fully cranked (so-called 'british-setting'), it will turn out that not few guitarrists will prefer the 16 Ohm-wiring and -connection.
  2. I agree in that detail: Thank you too for this explanation. I am not that long part of the "family" that i would know that. But it sounds reasonable and probably the process is the way you described it. What matters your last paragraph: I agree. Me too i fight with the pretty limited DSP-power. Bought because of that a LT and run it behind the Floor. This one i use purely for the effects before the amps [in that matter, again the link on ideascale (which i consider more important than Global eq for the LT-link to the PC), please vote all ; https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/H-Floor-Stomp-up-down-up-down-switches-working-inside-a-preset/1008717-23508} and the LT purely for the amps (and anything behind). And alas, STILL i cannot run my dream-rig (three or even four bridged Plexis with their 3 or 4 double-cabs, a rig that i used a long time in real life), so yes, i share completely your reservation in that matter. ... Waiting for the Hercules from line 6 (a new 'Super-Helix' with 4 or 6 DSPs)...
  3. If the number of the votes is the only thing that line 6 takes in count for to ponder the ideas there, then this vote-system there is unjust and IMHO not intelligent: How for example in this precise case here shall the few Powercab- & DT-owners ever reach there significant vote-results? We are a minority. On 1000 Helix (or POD) - owners, there are perhaps 50 Powercab- plus DT-owners. Some Helix or Pod ideas have more than 4000 votes, we Powercab-people can be happy when our problems (and the ideas for to resolve them) ever get 30 votes, if at all. We'll never be considered this way.
  4. Yes, i have the same problem, many presets only because the Global-Eq is not working for us. And rapidly, the preset-folders become ridiculously filled and totally chaotic and complicated. Thank you for the vote.
  5. The stereo-Powercab is boomy too. And there i like the L6-link because it's one cable (not two). Because of the boomyness, i put it usually one foot from the floor plus its adjustable low cut mostly at 340Hz (imagine). I think their idea was a multi-purpose-cab (you-tube-music, guitar, etc.); a pure guitar-cab-conception would have been better. Perhaps i'll sell it and buy me something more specific, pure FR-guitar-cab and an external power-amp, something like the Matrix GT1000. Would have the more the advantage i could use my Marshall-cabs when i have presets with Marshalls, then i would have more DSP for FX. What reminds me another idea: Seen the price of the Powercab, they (Line 6) could really have implemented speaker-outs for to connect real brand-cabs directly to the amp in the Powercab. I mean, usually, every guitarist has his preferred cabs, still the Helix plus the Powercab would be there for 30 other amps. ... :) already pondering if i sell it or if i drill some holes in it...
  6. Thank you for the link, but i already had in my first post here linked the mattering idea. Perhaps i should have highlighted it... So, again: https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/Global-EQ-on-L6-Link/912758-23508 All who think this idea has merit, please vote there for it. Edit: Taking the opportunity for some publicity for another idea, which is from me (in contrary to the above one): https://line6.ideascale.com/a/dtd/H-Floor-Stomp-up-down-up-down-switches-working-inside-a-preset/1008717-23508 The idea is the use of the H.Floor as pure pedalboard. Up to 32 FX-blocks can be loaded in 1 preset, but it's not possible to view them in the scribble-scripts nor to (dis-)engage them with the foot; if the up/down-footswitches would too work inside a preset, then all 32 effects would be to see in packages of 8 in the scribble-scripts & (dis-)engageable with the foot. Then there would be 4 up-down-functions: Preset, Bank, Snapshot, Stomp. Really perfect it would then be when these 4 up/down-modes could be changed with the mode-switch or by some other footswitch-trick (and not only in Global Settings). Interesting for all guitarists with real amps (use of the H.Floor as one of the biggest pedalboards of the world: up to 32 effects in one box, all visible in the scribble-scripts and dis-/engageable with the foot), but too in a usual preset it would be very useful to have access with the footswitches to all blocks there. Great feature missing!
  7. THIS explanation makes sense to me. For the case it is this way (Global EQ working at a location after the junction of the D-A-conversion-path), then or it will remain impossible for ever to adjust the L6-Link with it, or there is a way to install another path that puts this junction BEHIND the Global EQ.
  8. Thanks, but no, does not make sense, not more than all what you said before my entry (on the sense of the Global EQ and for what it is not made as cause that it is not running with the digital connections). Thank you too for quoting the chief-product-architect, but it's sufficient to read the manual; page 61 (Helix 3.0-manual): <<The Helix device’s Global EQ has three fully parametric bands plus variable low- and high-cut-filters and is used for compensating for the wide disparity in acoustic environments on tour or when traveling from studio to studio. Global EQ is applied to all setlists and presets and can be heard from the 1/4" outputs, XLR outputs, or both. NOTE: Global EQ is never heard from Send, Digital, or USB outputs.>> The note is important, i will return to it in a few moments. As i read, the Global EQ has it's fix percentage of DSPpower, independent if on or off (so it does not make sense to turn it off for to have more DSPpower) -- if i understood well your quote of Mr.Klein, this is contradictive to his claim, but however, doesn't matter, since it's not the point of my "problem". So, explicitly, i didn't speak about the use of a DAW [the Powercab212+ is not a DAW, it is an active Line6 - FRFR-stereo-speaker cabinet (alas it has no eq, no way to adjust Bass, Middle, Treble, only deep in the menu, there's Low- and High-cut)], but about the use of the Helix and this precise line6-stereocab on stage, or while jamming (without any PC/laptop: No DAW, no Helix Native, no HX-Edit), thus exactly the case the Global EQ in the Helix is made for (!!!). I should perhaps mention here that Line 6 sells the Line6-Powercab as the ultimative speaker-supply for the Helix and recommends the use of the L6-link (which is digital). - First for higher tone-quality, since it avoids the D-A-conversion at Helix-Out and then the A-D-return-conversion at the Powercab-In. - And secondly for to be able to select speaker-sims of the Powercab via the Helix. So, Line 6 Helix-> the famous L6-link-cable-> Line 6 Powercab. That shall be the perfect thing. Alas, alas, they did not tell me when they sold me this package for much momey that the Global EQ of the Helix is not working this way. That says that there is no possibility to adjust the Helix-Powercab-entity for "compensating for the wide disparity in acoustic environments on tour or when traveling from studio to studio (~manual)". You are f*cked what matters this point when you buy the Helix & its "perfect" cab-complement (/irony off), the Powercab212+ (and too with the Powercab 112+ monocab). It's really a shame that Line 6 does not offer the Global Eq for the L6-Link, even not in the 3.0.update. Then they should at least have installed an EQ in the Powercab, at least for Bass, Middle and High. Do you see the entire contradiction now? I would have done better to buy for essentially less money instead of the Line6Powercab (i have the more expensive stereo-cab) six (6 !!!) active Alto or Headrush FRFR-speakers, or a high-quality FRFR-guitar cab/speaker from Friedman, Kemper, BlueAmps, Dynacord, Redsound, etc.. So, practically, i run in the Helix (with two parallel paths) 4 amp-cab-sims parallely. When i put there the more an eq-block behind, the DSP-power is out: No way to add an effect (not one). Of course, i am not a total dumbhead. So i bought that sh*t and now i have to handle that sh*t and to see how to resolve my problem ("compensating for the wide disparity in acoustic environments on tour or when traveling from studio to studio") and what i did is to connect the Helix and the Powercab with two instrument-cables (stereo) and now i could use the Helix's Global EQ, but since this one is mono, i inserted there the Boss 200-EQ-pedal (a stereo eq-pedal). This way, i can at least insert one effect-pedal in my preset. Alas i have now too the A-D-conversation plus its return-conversion in my path. And last but not least, it is robbing me the possibility to manage the Powercab-settings via the Helix - one of the causes i bought it at all -. Do you understand my anger in this point? This Powercab 212+ is an expensive cab and it should be perfect when Line 6 claims it would be the perfect speaker-supplement for the Helix. And then that: No Eq for rapid local adjustments - nor at the Powercab nor is the Helix's Global Eq working with the Powercab -. If one puts preference on this point, i would recommend him (/her) not to buy the Line6-Powercab, but some high-quality product from another brand (or 6 Headrush or Alto). And i really hope Line 6 finds the fault here and adds in the next update the functionality of the Global EQ for the L6-link. Just for the Line6-Powercab-users.
  9. Hello brue58ski No, with tube(aka valve)amps for example, it's the reverse and solely in a very little ratio (1.5-2 : 1, not more): So to a tubeamp, never connect speakers with higher impedance, if at all, only with lower impedance and only in 1.5 (~2) : 1 ratio. So: 12 Ohm speaker and 16 Ohm-tubeamp should be ok, 8 Ohm speakers with 16 Ohm tubeamp is casually possible but risky (!!!) and 4 Ohm speakers with a 16 Ohm-tubeamp will destroy the amp, and too to run (crank) the amp without speakers will destroy it. And too never connect speakers with higher impedance than the output-impedance to a tubeamp! [the three no-gos with tube-amps, what matters impedance-(mis)match] What you said is valid only for most modern, common home- & car-solidstateamps, there, in reasonable ranges (usually 1:4), speakers with more Ohm can be connected. Independent of the question of damaging the equipment, purely soundwise, one should consider that all the filters in an amp are designed for a specific voltage and when this one changes because of not-exactly-matched impedances, too the working-range & the application-area of the filters change. With common home-&car-applications, this may or may not end in good sound, but specially in the space of FR (flat range)-applications, it is selfexplaining that this is absolutely contra-indicated. But even with solidstate-amps, what you say is not a rule: Some have to be treated like tubeamps, the Hellborg power amp for example, others demand identic or permit only slightly higher impedances (1:2), like the already mentioned class-d-guitaramp 'SeymourDuncan pro stage 170' (it's made for 4 Ohm, 8 Ohm speakers are allowed to be connected, but 16 Ohm-speakers not). I read the explanations for both cases, but sorry, i simply lack the technical knowledge for to have understood & memorized anything in one read and too i do not remember where i read that, so i will refrain here from trying to explain it (please google yourself if interested). The best is to remind the rule (the impedances should be identic) ...and in case one wants to know if one of the exceptions is valid for the own special case, it's recommended to ask / to research.
  10. *whistling* Sorry, but i must copy&paste that, on the Matrix GT: We've also added a dedicated output for bridged mode, so no special cables are necessary to deliver the full mono power of the amplifier into any impedance of 8 ohms or over. The GT1000FX still has the same ability to handle all impedances 4 ohms and over including mis-matched loads giving you the widest choice when using your favourite cabs and speakers. Running a 2x12 cab with an 8 ohm and 16 ohm speaker in mono or running a 4 ohm cab on one side and a 16 ohm cab on the other in stereo mode is no problem for the GT1000FX! The amplifier features extensive protection circuitry ensuring it is protected from loudspeaker short circuits and miswiring as well as indicators for protection, bridged-mode and signal lights showing the output signal strength. The Matrix GT1000FX takes the Matrix line of products to a whole new level, way beyond 11. (https://usa.matrixamplification.com/gt-1000-fx-1u.html) Well, well, is that too possible with the Palmer, does somebody have practical experience with it? I believe to remind i read it has limiters, providing clipping.
  11. :D We shouldn't speak (/write) at the same time, waymda. Me too, i am surfing through Mr.Googles limited & "optimized" (cough cough) spaces but have not found much. To suppose that specially in line 6 -Forums with the helix could be more people that tried that was IMHO not completely stupid. The more the fractalaudio forum, special axe-forum, and yea, the Kemper-Forum. I too tried to get an answer in the Marshall-forum. Back to the actual topic. Beside the Palmer, i found meanwhile the Matrix GT1000, 2x 150W @ 16 Ohm, so i could - would have to - connect two cabs. And it costs the double of the Palmer. So the Palmer is the only my demands suiting amp i found until now. Still i would be interested to know if there are people that have experiences with that amp (or the Matrix), or with alternative amps.
  12. I want it loud, yes, of course. And i have several tube-amps at home (50W and 100W), they have FX-loop where i can enter with the Helix if i want to put a pre-amp-simulation before and run my Marshall-cab this way. Class-d -guitar-amps are extremely light weight, extremely efficient and if made for this layout, extremely good for neutral sound (FR) ---- I do not buy a Helix for to put then some common amp behind that will colour the sound. As alreadymentioned, i have several tube-amps, can enter there in FX if i want to. So thank you very much for your offer, but i do not need your stereo valve poweramp. What i am looking for and what i want is minutiously described in my first post, please read it twice and trice if it must be before to answer. I know the laws of Ohm. And you cannot do this with any amp. For example, the SeymourDuncan powerstage 700 (guitar-class-d - amp) is permitted for 4 and 8 Ohm, explicitly not for 16. There are technical causes for that, i read them, but i am not technician enough for to have understood and memorized it in one read: Has technically to do with the chips, the voltage, and sonically with some filters that are apt for 8 but wouldn't be perfect for 16 Ohm. On the other hand, there is the Palmer Macht 402 guitar-class-d-amp which explicitly (manual) is permitted to run at 16 Ohm: Or with 2x50W or switched to "bridged" 1x200W. Now, 200 W on 100W speakers: I read somewhere - but did not understand why - that class-d amps shall have the double Wattage of the speakers. If somebody can (dis-/)approve and explain that beside question shortly, s/he is welcome to do it. But i know that it is all in general better (if you listen loud) to run a bigger amp with more little speakers than the inverse: Better a 100W amp with 50W speakers than a 50W-amp with 100W-speakers. Of course, you have to know where you stop to turn louder. But i always have had stronger amps than speakers, at home and in my car. So i am pretty sure i will not burn my holy Marshall-cab with this Palmer Macht 402, i will know when it's loud (as old Marshall SLP 1959 user, there is no question about that). But the Palmer is the only my demands suiting amp i found until now. And i would be interested to know if there are people that have experiences with that amp, or with alternative amps.
  13. Thank you for your idea, but i like the sound and the feel of my amps & cabs at 16 Ohm. Out of question to change that. So, simple or complicated - it's more complicated to rewire the cabs than to buy an amp that suits the demand -, it's not the answer because that simply wasn't the question. The question was and is precisely if there are people here that can recommend class-d-amps that give 100-200W at 16 Ohm. I found one meanwhile, the Palmer Macht 402, it gives 200W mono at 16 Ohm. The price is reasonable. But i wait if some people can show me alternatives and i am too hoping that people can tell me their practical impressions, soundwise.
  14. No, because i have my 100W-SLPs to which the cab belongs (which i want at any time to connect and run too). So i will not start to open the cab for to change there the wiring of the speakers. Or i get a class d - amp that works with at least 100W at 16 Ohm, or i don't do it.
  15. Well, i do not think that it is requiered to open a new thread for any bs-problem. Scusi, but as ignorant, i cannot estimate in any case if a problem i have is worth a new thread, or if it is just another aspect in an already existing thread. Nor can i estimate if it's stupid or intelligent question. And my question here is why i cannot use the in the Helix that they sold me with the perfect cab for it (powercab 212+ with l6-link-cable to Helix) the global eq just for to eq the entire stuff rapidly to a room? A short answer on the topic would have IMHO been more meaningful than eventually questionable psychologic analyses on me. You could in your infinite wisdom also have recommended me to open a new thread with that topic if this problem is worth it. You could also have told me: Stupid dumkopf, it is possible, you were to blind to discover it and/or too lazy to read well the manual, go in Global settings and make this and that.
×
×
  • Create New...