parallel Signal problem

[raulixoo]

I have a problem that I have discussed with several friends but we did not solve the problem, the helix the ax, you can use several amplifiers and several lines of work in parallel, the problem is when I create a basic unit, with distortion, delay, amp and cab, and open a line in parallel to add a shimmer, both lines put their signal to 50% and I do not understand why it happens, I tried to increase the volumes of both lines, but that s what it does, raise its volume and not its real gain, I have the feeling that there is something wrong and I do not I know what it is, I have I have doubts in writing to this group, because I know that most of them are owners of ax teams, but I thought that as partners for the passion to this band, we could try to fix this problem, I have also tried to create a line 1- b in parallel, but the results are not as expected to an independent line 2 ... Could you try to give your opinion? 

 

 

The mission is to perform the work of the guitarist of U2 , he uses in his ax an independent shimmer in parallel

 

Thank you

 

[codamedia]

22 minutes ago, raulixoo said:

the helix the ax,

 

22 minutes ago, raulixoo said:

I have I have doubts in writing to this group, because I know that most of them are owners of ax teams, but I thought that as partners for the passion to this band, we could try to fix this problem,

 

Language break down perhaps? Am I missing something?

I honestly don't have a CLUE what you are talking about with these terms/sentences. 

 

The image you displayed doesn't show anything about gain or volume... that's the input gate. So I'm not following what the problem is here. 

[raulixoo]

Sorry, the translator failed, but the rest of the text is correctly understood

[codamedia]

2 minutes ago, raulixoo said:

Sorry, the translator failed, but the rest of the text is correctly understood

 

Can you post your problem in your language?

The image does not match the problem I am reading... so I don't really understand the problem. 

[raulixoo]

Ok

 

mi problema es que quiero crear un paralelo perfecto (como dice el manual)para incluir un efecto shimmer tengo dos líneas A y B 

 

en la A incluye toda mi línea de efectos que necesito sin el shimmer

 

en la B meto el shimmer pero noto que en ese momento la señal se divide y la línea A no suena igual,la distorsión se nota sin gain,y creo que es por que la señal se divide al 50% y quería saber cómo evitar eso,que la línea A suene tal como está configurada y a parte suene la línea B con su paralelo perfecto sin que la señal sea un problema 

 

la imagen solo es un reflejo de cómo está compuesto 

 

gracias 

[codamedia]

4 minutes ago, raulixoo said:

Ok

 

mi problema es que quiero crear un paralelo perfecto (como dice el manual)para incluir un efecto shimmer tengo dos líneas A y B 

 

en la A incluye toda mi línea de efectos que necesito sin el shimmer

 

en la B meto el shimmer pero noto que en ese momento la señal se divide y la línea A no suena igual,la distorsión se nota sin gain,y creo que es por que la señal se divide al 50% y quería saber cómo evitar eso,que la línea A suene tal como está configurada y a parte suene la línea B con su paralelo perfecto sin que la señal sea un problema 

 

la imagen solo es un reflejo de cómo está compuesto 

 

gracias 

 

Thank you.... I am providing the translation below so others can see what you are asking...

 

Translation

 

My problem is that I want to create a parallel path (as the manual says) to include a shimmer effect. I have two paths, A and B

• In path A it includes all my line of effects that I need without the shimmer
• In path B I put the shimmer

But I notice that at that moment the signal is divided and line A does not sound the same, the distortion is noticeable without gain, and I think it is because the signal is divided at 50% and I wanted to know how to avoid that , that line A sounds as it is set up and part B line sounds with its perfect parallel without the signal being a problem

 

The image is only a reflection of how it is composed 

 

Thank you

[gunpointmetal]

So, set your second path input to receive the input from your first path instead of "Guitar/Multi", insert your shimmer, then drag it down to create a parallel path with nothing on the top line, then you can use the levels of split/combine blocks to adjust the level of shimmer to dry/amp tone without changing the level coming into your first path. 

[codamedia]

@gunpointmetal posted a possible solution above just as I was posting my response... I think both options (his or mine) will solve your problem. Pick the one that works best for you. 

 

His option includes your amp tone driving the shimmer (which is actually how I would do it as well) while my option is just a variant of your patch with the dry guitar signal driving the shimmer. 

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This is how I would fix your current patch....

 

The gain structure is not changing... the problem is that path B is allowing the dry guitar (no amp tone) to blend with the amp tone from Path A makign it appear cleaner than it is. This is easy to correct.

 

For your REVERB in PATH B.... make sure you set the MIX to 100%.  This stops the guitar signal from passing through, and only allows the reverb/shimmer to pass through on path B.

[raulixoo]

8 minutes ago, codamedia said:

@gunpointmetal posted a possible solution above just as I was posting this... I think both options (his or mine) will solve your problem. Pick the one that works best for you. 

 

His option includes your amp tone driving the shimmer (which is actually how I would do it as well) while my option below is just a variant of your patch with the dry guitar signal driving the shimmer. 

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The gain structure is not changing... the problem is that path B is allowing the dry guitar (no amp tone) to blend with the amp tone from Path A makign it appear cleaner than it is. This is easy to correct.

 

For your REVERB in PATH B.... make sure you set the MIX to 100%.  This stops the guitar signal from passing through, and only allows the reverb/shimmer to pass through on path B.

You want to say that the solution would be to simply put the mix of my reverb in patch B 100%?

[raulixoo]

10 minutes ago, gunpointmetal said:

So, set your second path input to receive the input from your first path instead of "Guitar/Multi", insert your shimmer, then drag it down to create a parallel path with nothing on the top line, then you can use the levels of split/combine blocks to adjust the level of shimmer to dry/amp tone without changing the level coming into your first path. 

I feel somewhat stupid. But I have not managed to perfectly understand how to do it, I appreciate your response

[codamedia]

7 minutes ago, raulixoo said:

You want to say that the solution would be to simply put the mix of my reverb in patch B 100%?

 

sí ... para arreglar su parche actual que funcionará. Luego, ajuste el nivel de reverberación en la ruta b para la cantidad de "brillo" que desee.

 

yes... to fix your current patch that will work. Then adjust the reverb level on path b for the amount of "shimmer" you want. 

[raulixoo]

3 minutes ago, codamedia said:

 

sí ... para arreglar su parche actual que funcionará. Luego ajusta la salida de cada ruta para equilibrarlos

 

yes... to fix your current patch that will work. Then adjust the output of each path to balance them

Thank you very much, I will try

[codamedia]

1 minute ago, raulixoo said:

Thank you very much, I will try

 

FYI: I edited my response for how to balance the paths... please re-read my response above. 

[raulixoo]

4 minutes ago, codamedia said:

 

FYI: I edited my response for how to balance the paths... please re-read my response above. 

Ok!