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Re: New JTV HD models upgrade and new workbench coming!

support@line6.com — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 19:30:02 GMT

I'm just hoping that they will get the acoustic sound from the Variax Acoustic 700 for the JTVs.
If they had done so in the first place...I would have given my 59 a "10" rather than the score of about 6 or 7.

Re: JTV acoustic sounds versus Variax Acoustic 700

support@line6.com — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:41:47 GMT

Hey There Merlin,

A little about my background. I've been a guitarist/audio engineer forever. I've worked with or recorded Robben Ford, Tina Turner, Billy Joel, Bob Segar, Chicago, Whitney Houston, and many more in my many years of doing so.

I bought the JTV-59 primarily as a production tool. Many projects that I have require me to construct everything in that piece of music. The idea of having one (tuned and ready to go) was very appealing to me. It would save a huge amount of time. I was half right. With the acoustic sounds of the JTV...even with the latest "fixes"...I can't remember when there would ever be a track in which the sounds from the JTV would even come close to working. The Acoustic 700 is still much, much better. Again, an engineer can create the "space" around anything....but cannot remove it. It would be nice if my "one guitar" approach would work....but it won't until such time as line6 decides to really make the JTVs succeed all it's older models.

Mark Creamer

Re: What does the tone knob when Acoustic Models are selected?

support@line6.com — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:25:26 GMT

As far as I'm concerned. I wish that they would get rid of the ambience totally and let the tone knob just be mic placement. I've been an audio engineer forever and I can't remember even one instance of these acoustic sounds being correct for the track that I was working on. I'm shooting for another update....Until then, I'm going to use my Acoustic 700. The sounds are much...much better.

Re: JTV acoustic sounds versus Variax Acoustic 700

support@line6.com — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:18:02 GMT

Me Too! I put in a support request and only got back a list of links that I've already tried. Now they keep sending me emails that say that the issue is "considered closed". I wish that (as JTV owners) that we could somehow (collectively) start pushing Line6 in to another revision.
Until that point...While I now have the electric sounds programmed and they are pretty darn good, I can kiss off using my JTV live for acoustic sounds and will have to keep the 700 whenever I want the acoustic sounds.

Re: JTV acoustic sounds versus Variax Acoustic 700

support@line6.com — Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:30:44 GMT

I found out yesterday that the Variax Acoustic 700 sounds can not be used in the JTVs. They are evidently enough different that it is not possible to just offer them as a firmware update.

Line6 is going to have to re-do the samples. Hopefully, they will do so very soon...using at least the same tight dry samples.

Re: JTV acoustic sounds versus Variax Acoustic 700

support@line6.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:32:41 GMT

I've been an audio engineer...forever. I can understand some people liking the new sounds better...but as an engineer, I'd much prefer to be able to (and any decent engineer can) add the amount of "space" around any sound that I'm recording. You can always add it but you can't subtract it. I can see these sounds being better in, let's say, the store where people are trying the guitar out...But not for me. There really should be options available online through the Workbench.

JTV acoustic sounds versus Variax Acoustic 700

support@line6.com — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:46:00 GMT

After syncing it to my HD500 and setting up a new series of patches, I went to work on the individual sound with the Workbench...and discovered that the acoustic sounds in my original Variax Acoustic 700 are a lot better for me than what I can get out of the JTV. I don't care what you call it...there is a roomy sound in the JTV models that are (as a recording engineer) pretty darn usless. I guess that I'll have to keep the 700 but wish that the 59 was as good. It would be so much easier.

Re: Roomy Sound in Acoustic and Reso Samples

support@line6.com — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:39:54 GMT

Well. A 1 1/2 weeks later I finally have the 59 ready to go. Had issues with a lot of little stuff. Set up (intonation, string buzzes, etc., variax string volume levels, and the awkward way that these had to be addressed. Boy I wish there was some decent documentation...Like the non-existant "Advanced Users Guide".
After syncing it to my HD500 and setting up a new series of patches, I went to work on the individual sound with the Workbench...and discovered that the acoustic sounds in my original Variax Acoustic 700 are a lot better for me than what I can get out of the JTV. I don't care what you call it...there is a roomy sound in the JTV models that are (as a recording engineer) pretty darn usless. I guess that I'll have to keep the 700 but wish that the 59 was as good. It would be so much easier.

Re: Roomy Sound in Acoustic and Reso Samples

support@line6.com — Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:01:38 GMT

Thanks Neal.

I did have 1.82 in the Variax after all. My next step is to be able to edit the Variax...then the 500 after I get the "recording" sounds done, I find it hard to believe that there isn’t a power input on the USB interface to the Variax so that it can be powered by that device. I still don’t know if the Variax signal will be able to be passed through the USB to be able to hear the edited changes. I use Cubase as my recording platform and when I try to run both…Cubase locks up so I'm going to have to load the Workbench on my laptop and run the signal through Cubase on the "music machine" for auditioning.

I’ve been trying to find an advanced manual on the JTV version of the Workbench. So Far…No Luck. Any suggestions for finding that and the Manual for the latest HD500 firmware?

Regarding the HD500. My 500 has a bunch of patches that I have stored and work very well for me. The only fear that I have is that when I update to the 2.02 that my patches will change. In the past when I updated my Pod XT, the sounds were just not there so I had to revert to an earlier firmware. It was as if they "compressed" the files so that they could have memory space in order to sell aftermarket firmware....whatever it was, the sounds were not as good. I have been aware of HD-500 updates but because of my past experiences, didn't want to update something that was working for me.

Mark

Re: Roomy Sound in Acoustic and Reso Samples

support@line6.com — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:45:44 GMT

Thank you Neal.
I didn't even know that there was a 1.82 available. I don't think that it showed up in the firmware choices in Monkey. I'll look again but just in case, it there a specific URL that I need to look for? BTW Considering that I'm going to be using it live also, I really don't want to give up the HD500 connectivity.

Thanks,

Mark