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I need some examples of JTV model and magnetic pickup patches with separate outputs

support@line6.com — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:46:46 GMT

I have a gig tomorrow and we're short a guitarist. I haven't been able to wrap my head around how to do this I have 3 possible scenarios:

1. Non-Amp modeled JTV Acoustic - maybe with chorus and reverb out one XLR channel. Out the other the JTV Mag Pickups through an amp model and effects to a separate XLR out. This would be the scenario if I'm allowed 2 channels in the board.

2. Same as above but out a mono out. I guess I can do either L or R or use my Y XLR adapter.

3. This one seems more complicated- Can I run the JTV Acoustic direct out to the PA via XLR and then have the JTV go through an amp model and effects and out to a DT-25 via L6 Link?

I would really appreciate your input and some example patches if you have them. If I have the logic of the basic patch I can change the sounds to suit my needs. I just haven't figured out the best way to do this.

Dave

Re: Why do I need a DT amp if I'm playing through the PA?

support@line6.com — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:03:15 GMT

Thanks for the kind words Ard. I'm glad you like the patch. I play most every week and I fiddle faddle around with new sounds and patches but seem to come back to that one for most of the run of the mill CCM music. I have experimented a bit. Try subsituting the standard digital delay with dotted 1/8 with a stereo delay-one channel quarter note, the other triplet 8th and see how you like that. I like just the one dotted 8th for standard songs but if you really need that deep repeating like on Hosanna the stereo delay setup works nice. I'm still running in mono to the PA or via DT-25 but it sounded a little cleaner than when I tried 2 delays separately for 1/4 and a triplet setting.

Re: Why do I need a DT amp if I'm playing through the PA?

support@line6.com — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:19:40 GMT

I've gone both ways. I started out with just the HD going straight to the house and now I go HD to DT25 head (I also have a DT-50 but it's too much, I'd recommend the 25) it goes to a 1x12 Blackheart cabinet with an Eminence speaker. We have our speaker cabs in backstage enclosures and used wireless in-ears. One thing I've come to realize and make peace with (more or less) is 1. Your in-ears will never give you a true representation of your actual guitar tone so you need to dial it in and just be confident that it will sound good. I rarely make any adjustments once I set up my rig based on my in-ears. 2. No matter what you do or how close you get to a Holy Grail guitar tone the FOH sound guy can and probably will screw it up.

We're a big church with a rotating band of more than 100 people so I'm always playing with different people and different people at the board. Some board guys are guitar friendly others favor vocals or keys. I've given up wishing for the perfect mix it just doesn't happen. I know if a few guys are running sound to boost my volume onstage a bit right before we start and after soundcheck if I want to be heard

Back to your question though, I do find with using the DT-25 I get a lot more tube dynamics in my playing than I do with just the HD. I have got it down now to basically 1 patch I can use for 90% of the P&W songs. I pick light and I have a clean at the point of breakup and playing hard it really crunches and compresses just like I'd expect. My patch is a dual amp patch with a Twin combined with an Park 75 so it is very articulate and just have a noise gate, a screamer and two delays and use an FX loop for a clean boost for solos. Check it out I'll post it here it's also on CustomTone.

Re: How much do new strings affect sound and tone on the JTV?

support@line6.com — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:53:47 GMT

Thanks Phil

How much do new strings affect sound and tone on the JTV?

support@line6.com — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:07:22 GMT

I've never been one of those guys who love 1.Changing strings or 2. The sound you get from brand new strings. I like mine broken in a bit and losing a little of the brittle high end. That being said I was wondering how much new strings even matter since all they are doing is triggering a virtual model of a guitar. Granted I know if they are super old and grimey I'm sure sustain and even intonation will be off, but I'm talking about strings that have maybe 12-20 hrs of playing on them vs brand new strings. Thoughts? Experiences?

Re: Line 6 when will my 2x12 extension cabinet be ready?

support@line6.com — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:43:37 GMT

Funny you mention that, I bought a Vetta cabinet too about a month ago. Not sure if it's a I or II (anyone know the difference) I plan on doing the same as you, putting in a V30. Might fashion a velcro or some type of removable closure for the back. One thing I'm a bit perplexed about is that it is a stereo cabinet. How are you connecting your head to it?

Re: And here is a heresy....

support@line6.com — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 01:10:13 GMT

Mr. Messy- You and I are brothers with different mothers! LOL Yep pretty much the same thing I've been relugated to. I have a JTV-69 and love it. Give me the flexibility to change guitar sounds depending on what the other guitarist shows up with. Since many of the songs are pretty easy and somewhat boring, I like you now find the challenge in trying to play some counter melody/harmony in different places with different chord voicings. It is what it is and at least we get to get out and play and for a good cause.

I'm actually having about 6 church band members over tomorrow night to play some "secular" music for the fun of it and "Get Our Yah Yahs Out!" I'm very much looking forward to it! I do enjoy mentoring the younger or lesser experienced musicians. I offered to do a clinic for our church but it got lost in the bureaucracy. So I'm taking it out of the church and we'll have some fun and learn a few things as well!

Re: And here is a heresy....

support@line6.com — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:31:38 GMT

Wow this is the most activity this group has seen in a long time, I wanted to add my 2 cents, at least this way people that read this have walked the same walk and I won't just get shrugged off like my wife tends to do when I vent my frustrations... LOL

First, regarding Lincoln Brewster. I'm 45 and grew up in the era of metal and guitar virtuosity, aka your Yngwie, EVH, Satriani, Vai, etc I've been playing guitar since I was 9 and consider myself a pretty good guitarist. I dig Lincoln Brewster on many levels. First he's got some serious chops very bluesy and expressive. Second, he knows how to write interesting music with great messages. And finally he has great tone in his recordings and live- It's full, clear, articulate, warm and big. As other's mentioned his background as a sound engineer pays in spades on his recordings be his recordings are rich in guitar textures, sometimes its even hard to discern how many guitar parts are going on simultaneously. So all in all I appreciate his music on all levels as musician, a casual listener, and a Christian.

I have to admit I am growing weary of where our church band's direction these days. I am blessed to play in a big church with state of the art equipment and for the most part very good musicians (the vocalists...ehh, hit or miss.) We have a total of 7 bands spread over 4 campuses. I'm fortunate to play the main weekend services at the main campus and it has been fun the last 6 years. We about 100 musicians and vocalist that rotate each week through the various bands each having there home band designation so to speak with staff worship leader is basically the band leader.

If churches have competition ( and they do) our main competition is Elevation Church which is about 30 minutes away. As a whole, our main band consisted of 40 somethings like myself all with similar tastes in music, backgrounds, and insprirations. I was a good fit. We primarily aim to play the current songs you hear on K-Love, or The Light and we challenge ourselves with some of the harder tunes, aka LB songs for instance. Well, recently they moved people around and moved our band leader to a new startup campus and moved the Sunday Night Remix leader to the main service and made him director of worship. Our Sunday Night Remix was a more casual coffe shop atmosphere, more acoustic and younger skewed music. So now that he's leading our band the music has become very mundane, predictable and boring. We're still doing the current stuff but the choices are either your easy strumming songs or typical "Coldplay"-ish Jesus Culture/Hillsong type songs. Reminds me of the old Ron Popeil's commercials- grab your Gretsch, set Delay to dotted 1/8, set amp model to Vox with a slight breakup- Set it and forget it!

I be motivated and proud to really work on creating song based patches and really dial in the tone, but honestly now since all the songs sound so similar I've played all my services for the last 6 months with 1 patch. Now I may come off sounding like a whiny spoiled baby...maybe I am. But it sort of like that cliche that you miss something more if you've lost it rather than never having it at all. I know Elevation Church is all about connecting with the generation X? I don't know what letter we're on now- I guess 20 somethings with their rock concert type atmosphere jumping around on stage and stuff. In fact I'm a little jealous I'd love to perform more freely and expressively but on the short week we have getting the music on Mon or Tues, 1 rehearsal Thurs, the the weekend services you really don't have the time know it like the back of your hand. EVC has one paid band and thats all they do. I digress...At our church, I know the majority are my demographic and it's the music that opens their eyes and gets them in the door and the messages that keep them coming back. I just hope we don't just fall into the doldrums playing all these capo'd open chord songs scattered with octave run melodies on top. Makes me sleepy...

Anyway, don't want to sound all negative and bitter, I'm not. Just feel like talking amongst friends and I'm frustrated and uninspired. No, I haven't lost sight of why we do it, Who gave us the gifts of the talents we have, etc But just like we eat bread every-it doesn't always have to be Wonder Bread, how about some nice 12 Grain.

My take on why we are "cover bands" and don't strive for more originality? In my case its the fact that we get a chart and an mp3 of the original song and have one rehearsal and each time the band is dfferent so we pretty much learn it on our own. If we came and rewrote the song it would throw everyone off especially the vocalists. We do restructure them sometimes but the "music" stays the same.

ps I should add I saw Lincoln Brewster this last Saturday at a service in Charlotte and had the opportunity to meet him and talk to him. A very nice, personable and funny guy. He assured me that even though they currently have taken his gear info down off his site he promises that it will be back up and with the HD gear, his keyboardist was with him and I guess he handles a lot of the web content and he assured me it will be there soon. Said they just redid it because of the new Xmas CD. Here's a picture of his board patch 16a Linc P-75 is the Grail Tone.

Re: Worship Seminar with Lincoln Brewster, Dayton OH

support@line6.com — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:23:37 GMT

I spoke to Lincoln last night and asked him point blank about posting his HD patches. He said he promises that he will, and that was backed up by his keyboard player who apparently handles their website and said they will. He said he's been getting "hammered" by requests. I also asked him about his next DVD and said that he'll be working on that now that the XMAS CD is done.

Re: DT-25 Head cutting out then died at rehearsal

support@line6.com — Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:59:40 GMT

Update- So I replaced the fuse in the DT25 head from another DT25 (I have 3, so please address this Line 6) I made it through my Saturday rehearsal and gig, but then Sunday at sound check it died again. So obviously there is something more going on here. Luckily since I have the "Dream Rig" I disconnected the DT from my signal chain by passed my speaker cabinet and went straight out through my HD500 to FOH. Not the ideal situation and certainly not something I want to be messing with 15 minutes before my gig.