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Re: DT50 1.2 VS 2.0 Firmware

support@line6.com — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:31:45 GMT

If I didnt have any amp selected, and saved it as a patch, would it still recall the amp settings or just the topology, class and pent/triode?

I'm guessing it wont? That it will be based on whatever settings I currently have?

Re: DT50 1.2 VS 2.0 Firmware

support@line6.com — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:28:37 GMT

WOW. I honestly never thought of something so simple like that. Thanks!!!

Re: DT50 1.2 VS 2.0 Firmware

support@line6.com — Wed, 06 Mar 2013 20:00:06 GMT

Yes it does sir! Thanks again

Re: DT50 1.2 VS 2.0 Firmware

support@line6.com — Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:16:35 GMT

To be transparently honest, the hardest part (for ME at least) is discerning what a REAL S6616 should sound like etc. but your post makes absolute sense. Question though...

Would these 4 voicings (blackface, park (plexi sound), vox chime and high gain still be a lot more accurate tube wise (given they were the 4 main voicings)

Would the 30 preamp models BE. JUST. AS. GOOD?

I love my DT50 and i think I made the best decision rather than buying different amps. Like I said, I'm still in a stage where I'm still trying to figure out my identity am as a player. I was too spoiled, having the luxury of downloading great patches off of custom tone that I hardly pushed myself to learning. But all that should change now, given that I have a real tube amp in my hands now. I've got a bunch of friends who own Victorias, Carrs, badgers and all those boutiquey stuff and theyve got nothing but praises for the DT. Hopefully, the power transformer doesn't give me problems in the near future.

I'd love to hear answers regarding that question I had with the 4 voicings VS 30 preamp quality of sound.

Re: DT50 1.2 VS 2.0 Firmware

support@line6.com — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:31:37 GMT

I'm definitely havin a blast with it PDKTDK.

Just to clarify though. All 30 preamp models are still modeled after those 4 main voicings yeah? Not unlike those main 4 voiciings

DT50 1.2 VS 2.0 Firmware

support@line6.com — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 18:04:23 GMT

I’ve already gone several pages in this forum and I haven’t been on here not til I got my dt50 last week. Ive always hung out at the pod hd forum. Also, it’s already 2013 so I think it’s ok to post a new thread about this since I haven’t found answers for the 2.0 update.

I recently updated to 2.0 for my DT-50. Took a few tries before it worked but it’s updated now. Here are a few questions and I think it’d be a lot easier by enumerating them rather than including them in paragraph form.

Why does this release announcement sound as if you couldn’t pair any of the 30 preamps with the 4 voicings before 2.0???

Free v2.0 Firmware Update

Available as a free download, v2.0 firmware takes your DT amp from four voicings to total flexibility. Create never-before-heard amp tones by pairing any of 30 HD preamps with any combination of dynamic topologies within Reinhold Bogner’s reconfigurable tube power amp.

The dynamic topologies include four negative feedback loop options (tight, loose, zero and resonant), operating class (A/AB), power tube configuration (pentode/triode), 12AX7* (normal/boost), B+ voltage* (phase inverter high/low) and feedback capacitor* (cap X/Y).

What are the changes/improvements if you were to compare 1.2 to 2.0? I’ve already seen the L6 Topology chart so I know there’s only a few that were updated (ie. Treadplate updated to IV instead of III). Reason I ask is because I’m confused with the official Line 6 release (shown below) saying you can “now” have total flexibility as compared to before which you could only utilize four voicings. Well, in 1.2 the topology changed already, including the A/B, pentode,triode etc.

Even with 2.0, Pre-models are still recommended rather than full? Definitely sounds stupid but I’m asking because there’s about 6-8 tones (that I love to death) that I’ve downloaded from custom tone which are full models. It’s my first time owning a real tube amp so my point of reference and tweaking (though subjective) as to what sounds good is still questionable IMO.

The dynamic topologies include four negative feedback loop options (tight, loose, zero and resonant) à Am I understanding this correctly? TIGHT is the Blackface, LOOSE is the Plexi, Zero is the AC30 chime and RESONANT is the high gain? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

I’ve purchased the dt-50 for the same reason why I started with an xt live from years back, to learn how to dial in sounds with a real tube amp. Since the XT live, I’ve gone through the X3 and currently the HD500 (3 or so something years). I hope Rowbi, Realzap or any of the forum residents can help me on this. I’ve tried reading most of Nick’s helpful posts but I just wanna make sure I’m up to date as what the best options are specially since 2.0 came out.

Is this the closest thing to achieving an FRFR setup through a guitar amp?

support@line6.com — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:51:42 GMT

I’ve read a good thread about this already but I’m trying to seek more insights/questions/ asking for opinions/suggestions/EXPERIENCE in my own comprehensive version. Maybe putting in more concise details in what I’m trying to achieve can yield some good results. Man I miss Nick Mattocks

http://line6.com/support/message/370529 In addition, I've also seen the HD500 connections vid and brwosed the first 5-10 pages of the What every pod hd500 user needs to know.

Is there anything else I can add/change to improve my chain/setup? Am I still missing something or are there any other suggestions you might want to add?

I’m comparing the sound of it to my VXT8. That’s what I’m aiming for. The checklist I wrote down below, based on my LIMITED experience has yielded the best results so far trying to attain the FRFR quality.

Checklist:

• HD500 Unbalanced Mono L Out --> Marshall Mode Four FX return

• On Line 6 edit, Input 1 is guitar, Input 2 is variax.

• The patch I’m using is the SLASH AFD that I downloaded from custom tone.

(JCM800 preamp which surprisingly still sounds awesome on my KRK VXT8s-Studio Direct setting)

• Studio Direct IMO sounds fuller. (The Stack power front is supposedly the ideal setup but somehow it sounds thinner.)

• I chose +4 (because it’s not rack unit???) The manual stated “The FX LEVEL switch (8), provides the correct operating level to match your external effects device(s) (+4dB for rack units and -10dB for pedals).”

• FX level on the Mode 4 is set to max. Gain is set to 0.

• Line, not amp. (On the switch close to the pedal)

• Inserted a ¼ instrument cable into the INPUT jack socket of the Mode 4 to release the automatic muting facility. ( Thus, the Bass, mids

& Treble controls on the Mode 4 is off.)

• Cab sims are off. (Is this better?)

• Cranked Resonance to 11 and Presence to O. (reference below)

• FWIW, I use Mogami gold instrument cables.

• I didn’t have a chance to mess around with the FX send volume controls (am I saying that right?). Is there such a thing as a sweet spot between using the MASTER volume on the HD500 and the FX send controls?

(from the Mode 4 manual)

RESONANCE Control - This control operates in the power amp section of the MODE FOUR and adds a lowend breadth and ‘thump’ to your sound that cannot be produced via

EQ alone. When used in conjunction with the BASS control of AMP 1 (5) or AMP 2 (20), the RESONANCE control, affects the low-end rumble and overall tightness of your sound.

Higher settings will give your tone a fatter, fuller bottom end.

PRESENCE Control - This control also operates in the power amp section of your amp and adds high frequencies to your tone, increasing edge and bite. Higher settings will make your

sound become crisper and more cutting.

• FX Loop Tip Tone #6 on the mode four states that “If the processor being used has an input level control, ensure that it is set correctly.” How do I know it’s set correctly besides judging it by ear to what sounds good. (That question sounds dumb but I can’t think of any other way to put it.)

My understanding of the 4 cable method:

The reason you would go with the 4CM is to utilize the amp’s preamp. However I don’t want to use it. I think my mode four paired witht the HD500 sounds “muddy”, unless there’s something I’m not doing right. Do I have a clear cut understanding of what a 4CM’s purpose really is?

From the Marshall Mode Four manual

EFFECTS LOOP (PARALLEL / SERIES)

To increase the flexibility of your MODE FOUR even further you may choose to connect external effects units to the built-in Parallel to Series FX LOOP. The effects loop allows direct connection of either floor pedals (stomp boxes) or rack processors. The FX LEVEL switch (8), provides the correct operating level to match your external effects device(s) (+4dB for rack units and -10dB for pedals). The amount of the chosen effect you add to AMP 1 and AMP 2 is determined by their respective FX LEVEL controls. Since the MODE FOUR’s FX LOOP is parallel, it means that the direct (‘dry’) signal is not passed through the loop and that your all-important tone is not at risk of being degraded by being sent through any external devices. Only a relatively small amount of signal is sent to the processor being used. When either of the effects level controls is turned up full, the FX LOOP of that AMP becomes a Series Loop. This means that the entire signal is sent through the loop.

FX LOOP TONE TIP 1: As a rule, effects involving Distortion or Wah are not used in an FX loop; they’re normally connected between the guitar and amp. They were specifically designed for use in front of the amp and, as a result, sound best when used that way. Time based effects such as Chorus, Flange, Reverb and Delay are best suited for Parallel FX loop use. This said remember, THERE ARE NO RULES so if you think your Wah and Fuzz pedals sounds best in the FX loop then go for it!

FX LOOP TONE TIP 2: When using time based effects such as Delay, Chorus, Flange and Reverb in the FX LOOP, for optimum performance the direct signal in the processor should be set to zero so that only the effect signal is returned to the amp. Doing this ensures the most effective control of the effect level (via FX LEVEL Control 11 & 24) and that the tonal integrity of the amp’s direct (dry) signal is unimpaired in any way by the processor.

FX LOOP TONE TIP 3: When using an effect such as Noise Reduction in the FX LOOP you’re going to want it to work on the whole signal so the FX LEVEL of each AMP should be turned up full so that the loop becomes a Series one.

FX LOOP TONE TIP 4: If you decide to use a stomp box in the FX LOOP, unless the unit has a Dry/Wet mix control (or is a stereo device that has an output that only carries a ‘wet’ signal), in order to make the effect sound its best you’re probably going to have to set the FX LEVEL Controls on maximum, or very close to it. Remember though, by doing this you are putting the tonal integrity of the MODE FOUR at risk because you’re sending the entire signal through the effect box(s) being used. Let your ears decide what’s good and what’s not!

FX LOOP TONE TIP 5: Always use high quality, screened patch cables . . . and the shorter the better. Long cables can reduce top end and overall punch.

FX LOOP TONE TIP 6: If the processor being used has an input level control, ensure that it is set correctly.

Here’s direct link to the Mode Four’s manual. http://www.marshallamps.com/downloads/files/MF%20hbk.pdf

I APPRECIATE in advance all the HELP/opinions/suggestions. Thanks for taking the time to read my thread!!

HD500 vs Bass Pod XT Pro?

support@line6.com — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:10:22 GMT

ONE simple question:

Would you recommend I buy a Bass Pod XT Pro? I already have the HD500 but there's a bass xt pro that came up on craigs for $150. I offered $100. If the seller says yes, is it worth it? The best custom tone I have on the HD500 is the "Better Bass" patch that I converted to a bassman. I use a Fender American Jazz Deluxe (active). Lemme know what you guys think. Thanks!

Re: OK TIME FOR SOME TONE REQUESTS!

support@line6.com — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:25:24 GMT

Hi.

Thanks for all the tones! I've been having fun playing around with the previous tones you've concocted. BIG help for amateur tone connoisseurs such as myself.

Can you find time to come up with a bunch of Frusciante Lead tones? Mostly his Marshall Silver Jubilee tones (Slane Castle DVD) and also the final solo part for Dani California on this Abbey Road performance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaXbPuLDNRA

Thanks in advance!

Re: 1/4" Panning Question

support@line6.com — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:41:40 GMT

I'd sure like to know too. Panning phasers left to write on headphones sound awesome. I did a half-a$$ed job tinkering with it by putting two inst cables on the mono outs... when I plugged in my headphones, the hard pans werent all that noticeable... BUT i should've checked my mixer settings on with the pod itself or the Edit's.

Lazy and Success can never go together . Keep me posted