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Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:54:03 GMT

tommy1170,

Can you share what you did to make the DT-50 alsone and D-T50 with the HD500 tones sound identical?

Re: You can do anything with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:58:53 GMT

I just found this thread and I'm completely confused about the discussion here. It's all over the place and extremely hard to follow the direction of the discussion.

I'm staying out of the Low Power mode discussion as I never use it because I think it is a horrible representation of the Fletcher-Munson Algorithm.

I'm am very curious about..."who is always agreeing with Rowbi when a negative post is written"?

Tube amps in my decades of experience, with Marshall heads mostly, have always been noisier than solid state amps when idling. My Vetta which is far older than 5 years. I bought my Vetta I brand new back in 2003 which makes it over 8 years old and still sounding great.

Tone is very subjective, but what's the question or issue being tossed about? The tone of a Vetta verses the tone of the DT 50/25 with a POD HD pedalboard? Or the Pedalboards technologically below the HD500 sound better? I've never heard or touched anything other than the HD500 & HD PRO I have in my rig besides my Vetta and POD X3 PRO.

I guess if anything I wrote is relevant - terrific, if not - please at least tell me who the other person is that Rowbi seems to be "teamed up" with?

See ya,

Neal

Re: You can do anything with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:36:55 GMT

Regarding the PODHD500/DT50 combo, I am beginning to think that there is something different between the PODHD500 and the PODHD300/400 in terms of tone, etc. Most of the folks that have gotten real close between the POD and the DT50 seem to be using the 300/400.

Well thats interesting.... I use a Pod HD Pro. Does this mean that my combination might also sound worse than say, a DT50 and a Pod 3/400? Or perhaps this tone difference changes between the same models depending on their manufacture date, or the chips that were available, or on and on and on. Speculation? Talk about a can of worms opened if this is indeed the case.... And yes I hope not too....

I'm with Zap on this one.

Rowbi, no disrepect brother, but can you point to the post where you guys were ever NOT in total agreement on something in regards to defending each others remarks on a reply to a complaint here against a product from Line 6? It would be nice to see that here at least once... I mean if tone is so subjective shouldnt you guys differ a bit too? Gives off bad vibes for me when you guys are ALWAYS of the same opinion on every topic ive read... Another conspiricy perhaps? ; )

It's a software based product, there's going to be flaws.

Exactly.....

The Vetta is a solid state amp and I would have to think it would be much quieter. ...(then a few lines further) Tone is subjective and although I think the DT50 sounds light years better then the Vetta I completely respect your opinion.

So the DT50 is lightyears better ahead of the 5+ year old vetta tone wise, but its normal for it to be more noisey?

These are just a few of the statements that caught my attention in this thread....

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:45:00 GMT

I've had a Vetta Head since they came out - the first one, not the second - and almost got a DT50. Instead, I splurged and got a Mark V and am going to disable the modeling on the HD Pro and use it solely for an effects processor. I still thing the DT50 is too digital. IMHO, digital amp modeling, even if it is hybrid, isn't the same as the real thing and I don't think it will be for a long time.

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 03:19:39 GMT

I understand what your saying...

but my point is the FULL model "behind the scenes" is whatever voicing model you have selected (I, II, III, IV) on the DT50. I don't believe selecting the low power mode on the DT50 is equivalent to changing an HD500 pre amp model to a full model.

The exceptions would be the:

I: Fender Blackface Deluxe
II: Marshall Park 75
III: Vox AC30
IV: MESA Dual Rectifier

Aren't all the other FULL amps modeled in the HD500 unique unto themselves to replicate the orignal amps?

All of this is just semantics... but it is fun to discuss. With all the configurations available with the HD500/DT50 the possibilities appear endless.

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:46:00 GMT

it doesn't change the preset... the preset is unaffected... it simply uses the full model behind the scenes.

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:00:22 GMT

I don't know for certain... but I don't believe setting the DT50 to low power mode (pulling the master volume out) while connected via L6 Link actually changes a preset HD500 pre-amp to full a amp model.

Again... I don't know for sure... but what I believe occurs is the DT50's internal "voicings" emulate a FULL amp model of whatever NFL topology currently selected on the DT50 when in low power mode.

I: Fender Blackface Deluxe
II: Marshall Park 75
III: Vox AC30
IV: MESA Dual Rectifier

So if your HD500 selected PRE-amp is say a Bassman or Dr. Z... I don't see how setting the DT50 to low power mode is identically duplicating the FULL amp version of these amps as modelled within the HD500.

From my experience... if you want to use the FULL amp models in the HD500 with the DT50 in low power mode via L6 Link... it's best to set the DT50 Topology to "voicing" 1 for all FULL amp models.

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:21:42 GMT

sorry i missed this...

i'm not sure how it will handle the DEP's

but yeah the full model nothing changes.

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:20:30 GMT

i can only assume that the DT25 works the same... (dont have one)

but there will not be any visual way to tell...

but if you are hearing tube breakup at a lower volume... its the full model

Re: I am done with the DT50!

support@line6.com — Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:39:47 GMT

TheRealZap wrote:

it will engage the full model in a preset with the pre selected if the low power mode/knob is pulled.

Ok, wait, wait, wait. I'm going to make you say it one more time just so I'm sure.

I created a setlist of 22 patches on my HD500, each having only a volume pedal and the pre for each amp model (and the default cabs). I use L6 Link to connect to my DT25.

So you're saying that when I switch my DT25 to Low Volume Mode (which I'm assuming here is the same as the knob-pulling Low Power Mode on the DT50) that my HD500 should automatically switch from the pre models to the full amp models? Should that be happening visually on the HD500 display as well?